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Posted by mcthreeteeth at 8:24 AM
So how does it feel, torturing others? Since your posts seem to fit that description.
"Every obnoxious act is a cry for help. "-Zig Ziglar
You must need lots of help.
ps If we gained "nothing", then what is there to protect? Is Obama putting our CIA on "nothing" operations?
Posted by promaclaura at 7:46 AM .............
Because he isn't stupid, unlike his predecessors who used information such as that to keep their ratings up. Who made things public that shouldn't have been in order to look like they had it all under control. To say "see, look at us America, we are keeping you safe". All the while, whittling away at our core values in the name of safety.
Posted by IrishWench01 at 7:52 AM : Apr 22, 2009
It is Obama releasing information to keep his ratings up! Remember, these were "secret" memos that didn't need to be released and former/current CIA directors argued against it. Obama released tidbits for his fawning public to support HIS agenda and gain browny points with his voters pure and simple, and I think that is stupid. Obama should have known better, did he really think no one would call his bluff, and ask for the release of the results from the interrogations. Questioning one half of a policy, but not protraying the "full" perspective is downright devisive and begs for further arguement.
Some believe Obama is stringing along his followers as long as possible by keeping "Bush hate" in the picture, he wants the attention on Bush policies, not his own (what tea party? oh, my response to that is Bush, Cheney, and Rush says Barack. Hey Rahm, is there anything else I can use to disract the public with?).
Posted by chitown639 at 8:11 AM
And your point is?
It's nice to be smug while others keep you safe.
Posted by louiville2
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.-Benjamin Franklin
Posted by promaclaura at 7:30 AM ..............
Like I said, You don't get it.
Posted by IrishWench01 at 7:33 AM : Apr 22, 2009
If your arguement is that we have no room to talk if we do it ourselves or it brings us down with the rest of them, I understand where you are coming from. "Waterboarding" someone from the Afghan army or Iraqi army would be wrong as they represent their country, but that's not who we waterboarded is it? I'm not upholding using these techniques on opposing armies of other countries, but I do support it for terrorists who wear no countries "uniform" and act out of religious zeal. The guys that were waterboarded attacked the U.S., not in the name of another country, but out of extremist beliefs/jihad. There is no "ongoing communication" with terrorist groups, we must abtain information on them any way we can.
This stance should "blanket" everyone though, so Obama's shaking hands with Chavez and buddying up with Cuba doesn't make sense does it?
The difference is that The United States should never, ever condone torture for any reason at any time! Not to look tough, not to show off, not to anything.... We as a nation Do Not Condone torture.
The CIA and other covert groups have worked to keep this country safe for a very long time. When the President or his cronies make it public knowledge, then they better expect repercussions. Its not rocket science. Cripes, its not even lego science. You blatantly go against the innate values of this country, no matter what the justification and you pay the piper, one way or another.
Posted by IrishWench01 at 7:31 AM
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -George Orwell
"Those who ?abjure? violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf" was a "grossly obvious" fact.- George Orwell
It's nice to be smug while others keep you safe.
ps If we gained "nothing", then what is there to protect? Is Obama putting our CIA on "nothing" operations?
Posted by promaclaura
There is no proof of any plots foiled or the Cheney Administration would have made it public....why didn't Cheney release the memos three months ago when he had the power to do so??? Answer: BECAUSE THERE REALLY AREN'T TORTURE MEMOS OF PLOTS BEING FOIDED!!!!
Posted by promaclaura
LMAO....Operations in the field and detainee interrogation are two entirely different things. Our secret CIA Operations memos, that Cheney and YOU are calling to be release, has not been released. But the memos of the ILLEGAL torture interrogation tactics that the Bush aides sanctioned have. And if the you are worried about our enemies finding out how to outwit torture methods, perhaps you should surf the internet and see what information on common torture techniques that is readily available to them on the internet......
Posted by chitown639 at 7:28 AM : Apr 22, 2009
Oh please, Obama is very good at "deleting" pertinent information. I'm sure he could reveal plots foiled without hurting our operatives. You are just reaching for straws in your argument, as I'm not condoning release of "current" operations, only those THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN FOILED THROUGH INTERROGATIONS.
Libs state we gained "nothing" from our interrogations, well then prove it, release the end results of the interrogations. Also, isn't a foiled plot considered "already played out" and our operatives no longer pursuing it.
Of course I believe Obama would not release "ongoing" operations, but we are talking about something else now (plots already foiled), aren't we?
ps If we gained "nothing", then what is there to protect? Is Obama putting our CIA on "nothing" operations?