Comments on: CIA Off The Hook For Past Waterboarding

Obama Won't Prosecute CIA Officials Who Used Harsh Interrogation Techniques During Bush Administration

[jwind1]

And Bush's legal council WOULD NOT sign off on the torture.

What does THAT tell you?
Posted by hungry1968-15 at 8:12 AM : Apr 17, 2009

hungry...you really need to move on...quit obsessing with Bush this or Bush that....it is not healthy

[brianbwb-2009]

"... I don't believe I have ever heard of an American being tortured by the military at Guantanomo or any other prison?" Posted by Stuart2560

That is the entire point, if you allow this to set legal precedent, it is only a matter of time before you will hear such.

[hungry1968-15]

Ask those same prisoners if they feel they are being rehabilitated.
Posted by Stuart2560 at 8:11 AM : Apr 17, 2009




Read my post from 7:58.

[brianbwb-2009]

"...But what I'm saying is if the "ground level" CIA agents asked their superiors if what they were doing was legal, and they were told "Yes it is", then HOW can you hold them accountable?" Posted by hungry1968-15

UN convention against torture

Article 2

"No exceptional circumstances whatsoever" may be invoked to justify torture, including war, threat of war, internal political instability, public emergency, terrorist acts, violent crime, or any form of armed conflict.] Torture cannot be justified as a means to protect public safety or prevent emergencies. Neither can it be justified by orders from superior officers or public officials. The prohibition on torture applies to all territories under a party's effective jurisdiction, and protects all people under its effective control, regardless of citizenship or how that control is exercised. Since the Conventions entry into force, this absolute prohibition has become accepted as a principle of customary international law.

I post the article in it's entirety so you can see the context, but the part relevant to your question is the sentence, " Neither can it be justified by orders from superior officers or public officials."

[hungry1968-15]

You don't know mush about the law do you? Ignorance of the law is not a deffense. What you just said would excuse every excecutive out there who has a lawyer telling them waht they are doing is technically not ilegal. All teh excecutive would have to say is wellI am not guilty my legal concil told me what I was doing was legal you need to procecute them.
Posted by stimporksuks at 8:07 AM : Apr 17, 2009





And Bush's legal council WOULD NOT sign off on the torture.

What does THAT tell you?

[hungry1968-15]

I must take issue, Prisoners are in prison as part of a sentence issued them for breaking the law. That they are there to simply isolate them from society is a farce. It is punishment first and foremost. Of course they are isolated but that is a consequence of going to prison. States have no desire to rehabilitate anybody. Ask any con?

Secondly...where do you get the idea that prisons "rehabilitate" anyone? They do not.
Posted by Stuart2560 at 8:05 AM : Apr 17, 2009





Where do I get the idea?

From WORKING in prison as a correction officer.

I can seriously tell you, that most inmates in prison DO NOT feel they are being "punished", but are being seperated from society.

[hungry1968-15]

I must take issue, Prisoners are in prison as part of a sentence issued them for breaking the law. That they are there to simply isolate them from society is a farce. It is punishment first and foremost. Of course they are isolated but that is a consequence of going to prison. States have no desire to rehabilitate anybody. Ask any con?

Secondly...where do you get the idea that prisons "rehabilitate" anyone? They do not.
Posted by Stuart2560 at 8:05 AM : Apr 17, 2009





Where do I get the idea?

From WORKING in prison as a correction officer.

I can seriously tell you, that most inmates in prison DO NOT feel they are being "punished", but are being seperated from society.

[hungry1968-15]

Man I wanted to leave but you make it so hard with your stupid statements!

So I supposed the 150 year sentence Bernie Madoff will receive is to rehabilitate him so in 150 years when he is released he will no long steal money right? Oh that?s right he won't steal any more because he will be DEAD.

If your moronic statement is true why do we have sentences with Life without parole if our justice system is not set up as a punishment and crime deter system? You are truly either ignorant, brain dead or just plain stupid.
Posted by stimporksuks at 8:04 AM : Apr 17, 2009




TO REMOVE THEM FROM SOCIETY, SO THAT THEY CANNOT HARM ANYONE ELSE.

What part of this very simple concept, DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

[brianbwb-2009]

"...We are not talking about our own citizens, we are talking about terrorists, people hell bent on destroying our nation...." Posted by Stuart2560

Or so you have been told, and told by the very same people who ripped you off. The only foreign group of people who are classified as "terrorists" who have advocated attacks on the US is Al Qaeda, which public historical records show was organized, trained, funded, and armed by the CIA.

[hungry1968-15]

See you just listed the deffense of everyone involved in this, all this is a legal grey area and just becsause some bleeding heart lib calls this torture does not make any of it torture. In your words it is a legal grey area and Bush can use that same deffense.
Posted by stimporksuks at 7:53 AM : Apr 17, 2009





Make no mistake - torture is, and should be illegal.

But what I'm saying is if the "ground level" CIA agents asked their superiors if what they were doing was legal, and they were told "Yes it is", then HOW can you hold them accountable?