Yes, Paul, there is very little you and Rahm would agree on, most specially, the national budget. Mr. Ryan, the only thing a BA in economics in college will get you is the ability to balance your check book. Short of having a PHD there is absolutely nothing that could give you a higher credential in offering advice in solving our national debt.
Funny. I thought Ryan was for limited, small federal government, leaving local politics to locals. Apparently he's following W.'s lead established in the Terri Schiavo case.
by Lindag20 September 11, 2012 2:18 PM EDT "It MAY have excaped your notice but ALL local and state governments faced with falling revenue LAID OFF workers, closed schools, firestations, public libraries, etc. and negotiated wage and benefits concessions with their remaining employees."
Linda...that is mot at all true. I live in northern NJ 20 miles outside of NY. Since 2004 when I bought my home, my property taxes have increased 40% despite the fact my property value is down about 15%. During that time, not a single municipal employee or employee of my school district has lost their job. The decrease in property values has simply been off-set by an increase in the tax rate. The only saving grace we now have is that in 2010, the governor signed a new law that caps increase in taxes to 2% over the prior year, which certainly helps and is better than the 6-7% increase I had from 2004 through 2010.
That may be where you LIVE, but where I live and in many other localities there have been NUMEROUS layoffs and closing of schools, firestations, etc. In fact there was a story about Colorado Springs recently regarding the cutbacks in city services there. So if your city was able to cuts costs WITHOUT laying anyone off, they are unique.
Linda...you are the one who went out of there way to say (and I quote, including your use of capital letrters) "ALL local and state governments faced with falling revenue LAID OFF workers, closed schools, firestations, public libraries, etc. and negotiated wage and benefits concessions with their remaining employees."
The fact is that "ALL" local and state government DID NOT resort to lay-offs and many communities (not unique communities) were hit with higher tax burdens due to the demands of the public sector unions. Those are facts, and they are not unique.
by apufan_ihateliberals September 11, 2012 2:52 PM EDT
There is a new state law in place that Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel says bans teachers from striking for anything other than compensation.
Well since compensation is part of their dispute, assuming you are correct I would hazard a guess then the strike is legal. But if not then why doesn't the Mayor fre the teachers.
I will tell you why Emmanuel doen't fire the teachers. 1) He can't 2) If he could it would essentially shut down the scholl system for at least a year 3) he wouldn't be able to get elected assistant supervisor for washing garbage trucks if he did, and fianally he probably would be impeached..
Actually I'm sure their are other reasons he can't or won't.
by Mortarman_1SG29 September 11, 2012 2:28 PM EDT Very true, AOC. So what does that tell you about the lawlessness of our government?
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Not much except the government has enacted laws that YOU don't like.
Mortar: You DO realize that the STATE of Illinois is the one that allows the teachers to bargain, strike, etc. So this REALLY has nothing to do the with Constitution anyway.
But no People or their government should allow public sector employees to collective bargain or strike against the Will of the People. Ever.
So the people of Chicago had no right to enter into a contract through their elected representatives with the teachers? And what law would take away that right Mortar?
by Mortarman_1SG29 September 11, 2012 1:07 PM EDT The Federal government has no role in education. It is not mentioned ONCE in the Constitution. Thus, spending money out of the Federal treasury for education is against the law.
Neither are Interstate Highways and National Parks but there they are.
Mortar, it doesn't tell me aquat about my government but it speaks volumes about your interpetation of how governments work and the purpose of a constitution.
But I tell you what, as a private citizen you do have the right to take your case that the Interstate Highway system and the National Parks system is unconstitutional to court. I would be fascinated to read about how that will work out.
Emanuel is a "moderate" Democrat (Republican) while Ryan is a clueless "free market" Republicon wacko. Still pushing the same failed economic ideas that have NEVER WORKED and never will. Do they think we are all as ignorant, shortsighted and stupid as them?
The teaching profession should be no more related to profits than medical workers. It is time for us to grow up and recognize the "free market" IS A FAILED SCAM.
And this is the problem with public sector unions. In the private sector, it really doesn't matter what the union asks for and what management agrees to give them because it is all driven by the marketplace. If the market continues to support a business that uses union workers then there is no problem because both the business and the union win. If the market won't support such a business then the business goes away and both the business and the union lose. But in the public sector there are no market controls. If the unions ask for to much, the public employer (in this case schools) don't go out of business. Instead they raise taxes. It makes no sense whatsoever.
zpufan: It MAY have excaped your notice but ALL local and state governments faced with falling revenue LAID OFF workers, closed schools, firestations, public libraries, etc. and negotiated wage and benefits concessions with their remaining employees.
Lindag20...that is mot at all true. I live in northern NJ 20 miles outside of NY. Since 2004 when I bought my home, my property taxes have increased 40% despite the fact my property value is down about 15%. During that time, not a single municipal employee or employee of my school district has lost their job. The decrease in property values has simply been off-set by an increase in the tax rate. The only saving grace we now have is that in 2010, the governor signed a new law that caps increase in taxes to 2% over the prior years, which certainly helps and is better than the 6-7% increase I had from 2004 through 2010.
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"It MAY have excaped your notice but ALL local and state governments faced with falling revenue LAID OFF workers, closed schools, firestations, public libraries, etc. and negotiated wage and benefits concessions with their remaining employees."
Linda...that is mot at all true. I live in northern NJ 20 miles outside of NY. Since 2004 when I bought my home, my property taxes have increased 40% despite the fact my property value is down about 15%. During that time, not a single municipal employee or employee of my school district has lost their job. The decrease in property values has simply been off-set by an increase in the tax rate. The only saving grace we now have is that in 2010, the governor signed a new law that caps increase in taxes to 2% over the prior year, which certainly helps and is better than the 6-7% increase I had from 2004 through 2010.
The fact is that "ALL" local and state government DID NOT resort to lay-offs and many communities (not unique communities) were hit with higher tax burdens due to the demands of the public sector unions. Those are facts, and they are not unique.
There is a new state law in place that Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel says bans teachers from striking for anything other than compensation.
Well since compensation is part of their dispute, assuming you are correct I would hazard a guess then the strike is legal. But if not then why doesn't the Mayor fre the teachers.
Actually I'm sure their are other reasons he can't or won't.
Very true, AOC. So what does that tell you about the lawlessness of our government?
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Not much except the government has enacted laws that YOU don't like.
But no People or their government should allow public sector employees to collective bargain or strike against the Will of the People. Ever.
So the people of Chicago had no right to enter into a contract through their elected representatives with the teachers? And what law would take away that right Mortar?
The Federal government has no role in education. It is not mentioned ONCE in the Constitution. Thus, spending money out of the Federal treasury for education is against the law.
Neither are Interstate Highways and National Parks but there they are.
But I tell you what, as a private citizen you do have the right to take your case that the Interstate Highway system and the National Parks system is unconstitutional to court. I would be fascinated to read about how that will work out.