Tonights speakers are a lineup of wackjobs and morons led by that serial woman-abuser and accused rapist, the perverted-president Bill Clinton, who for all of his faults, didnt intentionally try to destroy this country like the Muslim communist we have now.
BY YOUR COMMENTS ABunker said, "Tonights speakers are a lineup of wackjobs and morons led by that serial woman-abuser and accused rapist, the perverted-president Bill Clinton, who for all of his faults, didnt intentionally try to destroy this country like the Muslim communist we have now..." -------- Archie, I take it you are an "independent" voter, who often votes Republican? If you so disliked Clinton, surely you will love The Romney-- except for the fact Romney is not exactly what you might call a "mainstream" Christian, either-- one Baptist spokesman denied Romney is in any sense a Christian (but what does he know)?
And speaking of presidential candidates with exotic overseas backgrounds, the Romney family actually spent a lot of time-- three generations-- in a foreign land called Mexico, apparently to escape prosecution by Los Federales for polygamy.
So, there you have it-- The Romney is (1) not exactly a Christian (2) a child of very mixed parentage, if not untraceable altogether and (3) the political chameleon who, as governor of the blue state of Massachusetts, launched Romneycare, very similar to Obamacare.
The Romney and you probably need to have a talk about that.
Look everyone, 2/3 of the Democrats are Communists and atheists like their counter parts in the Communist countries. -----------by VooDooChile- September 5, 2012 9:06 PM EDT
What is is it with your, and the right's, obsession with communism and socialism? I hear the words "communism" and "communist" from the right more today than I heard at the height of the Cold War. Well, the Cold War ended in 1991. I know that conservatives like to live in the past, but this isn't 1952. Joe McCarthy is long dead. Your ridiculous obsession with and paranoia about communism is actually quite sad.
Obama is not a communist, the Democrats ares not communists and communism is not a factor anywhere in this country. Your wild accusations defy reality. The ACTUAL Communist Party of the USA is a fringe group with little support. They haven't run a presidential candidate in years, since the "glory days" of ol' Gus Hall.
Some people want to wallow in their own false reality, Rafterman. Who are we to shatter it? Now, we CAN put them in a nice, safe room where they can't hurt themselves or anyone else.
Mr. Bunker, please report to the principal's office immediately. Your history grade will not permit graduation, and your parents / guardians / principal others have been notified.
Mr. Bunker, you will be required to spend your vacation on a history paper, defending your stated belief "The Communist manifesto and the democrat party platform are interchangable."
This is called a "term paper" and will determine your educational status. You also will take remedial English, with emphasis on spelling.
CaptainSmollett said, "Insanity: doing the same thing twice and expecting a different result. So by this definition, Obama supporters must be insane if they expect the second 4 to be different from the first..." -------
Democrats couldn't replicate the 2008 campaign if they tried, so they haven't. In fact, they appear to have sharpened and improved their focus on the issues that matter most to the American people.
And yes, they expect different results-- much better results, this time.
WOW Yes wwe do have short memories. President Bill Cilton repealed the Glass-Steagall's act that President FDR put into place after the great depression. President FDR and leaders at the the time knew the dangers of banks and security,s. After Presdient Bill Clinton signed the law repealing this law. The banks became unbridaled which then ended the melt down. Under Democrate leadership Both by Presidaent Clinton and later when the Democrates Controled Congress did in fact the melt down happened
So, YOU just COMPLETELY ignore an intervening EIGHT YEARS of President BUSH - who most certainly would have "corrected" this dastardly Democrat plot, if not for - well the rich people really LIKED it!!
But is it not true that President Bill Clinton did this? And is it not true that during 2 to 4 yrs of President Bushes presidency that congress was controled by Democrats. Also is it not true that when President Obama came into office that Democrats had total control? Also is it not true since they had total control they should have seen the melt down coming?
darkhorseky said, "... Yes wwe do have short memories. President Bill Cilton repealed the Glass-Steagall's act that President FDR put into place after the great depression..." --------------
Clearly, the American public already believes it knows the political culprit for the recession-- the GOP and its policy and doctrine of DEregulation. Even the man-in-the-street understands crime flourishes when police are absent, and corporate white-collar fraud thrives without government (SEC)market oversight to protect investors and keep the brokers honest.
DEregulation is the same policy for which the GOP gleefully took credit back in 1999 and 2000, when Sen. Phil Gramm (R, TX) led the charge for the Financial Services Modernization Act (Gramm-Leach-Bliley, 1999) and the Commodity Futures Modernization Act (2000). Gramm had pushed to repeal the Glass-Steagall Act, which for decades had kept regulatory barriers between commercial banks and investment banks and let government halt predatory subprime lending.
The way Sen. Gramm and his GOP peers wrote the GLB bill, the SEC was effectively put to sleep. One of its provisions states "The (SEC) is prohibited from ... promulgating, interpreting, or enforcing rules; or ... issuing orders of general applicability; ... as prophylactic measures against fraud, manipulation, or insider trading with respect to any security-based swap agreement[.]".
Pres. Clinton trustingly signed the measure, assured by banks that DEregulating the derivatives market would help prevent market excesses.
In any case, Clinton's fellow Democrats were not fooled. However Clinton rationalized the Gramm measure to himself, GOP promises lacked a ring of truth. Senate Democrats stood firmly against the Gramm bill at its final, party-line vote passage by the GOP, 54-44, with Hollings (D-SC) the sole exception.
The US House had a differently-named version of the measure, and passed that bill in an unrecorded voice vote. Having passed the House, the two houses of congress met in conference, with the Democrats fighting a rear-guard action to bolster privacy protections and community investment safeguards mandated by the Community Reinvestment Act, in return for accepting passage of the GOP-written bill.
The following eight years under Bush2 witnessed a fraternity house climate on Wall Street, in which the big players wrote a new chapter on "excessive market exuberance" (but not even a quiet footnote of prosperity for most Americans)-- and all their raucous profiteering without the protective regulation an SEC might have provided for investors.
Their bacchanale of financial fraud (in the Enron style) culminated in the Wall Street disaster of 2008.
As early as September, 2008, the GOP already was in full denial. Bush2 still insisted the US economy was "growing", and McCain claimed the economy was "still strong". Until late in his campaign of 2008, Sen. Gramm, architect of DEregulation and now a fast-deepening recession, was economic advisor to GOP nominee McCain. That is, until he committed the grand denial of telling worried Americans they were in a "mental recession".
Months later, defeated in election, and left in abject shame for not only failure of its DEregulation policy, but a host of policy failures ranging from Afghanistan to Iraq to Katrina, the GOP now faced the albatross of guilt for Wall Street.
Although Wall Street banks, themselves, were the principal bad actors, only a GOP-crafted DEregulated market made such financial fraud possible. The GOP desperately points out Wall Street money was given to both parties, not only the GOP. On cue, Faux News, The Wall Street Journal and various other GOP organs linger over Wall Street millions gained by Democratic Sens. Dodd and Frank, and other Democrats (including Hillary Clinton) as proof the GOP is not guilty, unless everyone is, and therefore none is.
Nice try but still, no cigar. While Democrats deserve the same heat as GOP congressmen for Wall Street lobby money, the recession itself is due primarily and directly to a GOP-sponsored change in ground rules for Wall Street. Wall Street is a massive financial crime scene, a crime which happened by design-- the perpetrators had no regulatory oversight to limit or proscribe their actions.
That very DEregulated regime was legislated by leading GOP congressmen. and massive financial fraud (euphemistically, "overleverage") was the only logical outcome of a DEregulated Wall Street dervatives market.
As the Center for Responsive Politics points out, "critics of Gramm-Leach-Bliley predicted that if these mega-banks were to ever fail, the impact on the U.S. and global economy would be so great that the public treasury--i.e. taxpayers--would have to rescue them."
Your later comments on the Democrats retaking the house in 2006, followed in 2008 by the senate blithely ignore the fact that until Bush left office on January 20, 2009, the government was in massive gridlock. Contrary to your assertions about "total control" by Democrats, the Democrats enjoyed a supermajority for only a few months, at most, of that period. Without a supermajority, Democrats could not pass anything of consequence, leaving an assured Bush veto unnecessary.
Many people claim, in retrospect, to have seen the collapse. After all, Bear-Stearns failed the year before along the same fault lines. But to imagine all of Wall Street up to their collective necks in what George Soros politely terms "overleverage" was too large and frightening a prospect for bankers and fund managers, themselves.
PBS aired an excellent FRONTLINE segment on the Wall Street scandal, "Money, Power and Wall Street", which can be viewed from here-- http://video.pbs.org/video/2218309368/
Best wishes and success to you, Ms. Warren, and others, who stand up to these anti-American entities who have helped gut this country and "profit" from it.
I've nothing against profit but ethics is just as valuable as anything else. I'm sorry some people define "success" as "absconding ethics to meet one's personal, selfish goal".
We need more people in government that will challenge and regulate wall street and the big banks, not less. Warren was right about every point in her speech tonight. She will make a great Senator! If you do not see the need for these actions, and committies then you are either one of the crooks stealing from us or a moron, I just can't tell which.
Amazingoly-- Hello, yourself. We Americans DO need Warren in the US Senate, but frankly she seems suitable for president.
Warren's major appeal, in addition to her stellar professional qualifications, is her opposition to unbridled power of the den of thieves many call the "financial sector".
Warren demonstrates far more energy in principled pursuit of the American public interest than many on Wall Street show in their narrow, greedy self-interest.
We must have more public leaders like Warren to help bring about a transformation in this country's attitude to the common interest, and to promote a sense of community and of nationhood. To honor and serve the public interest is our only way out of the debacle greed created.
I just wanted to share this... For those who want to end funding for NPR, or are not familiar with it, here is one of the best analyses of the economic plans of both Romney and Obama. I found it both informative and compelling. And, I might add one of the best un-biased commentaries I have heard. Look for David Lionhardt.
I just wanted to share this... For those who want to end funding for NPR, or are not familiar with it, here is one of the best analyses of the economic plans of both Romney and Obama. I found it both informative and compelling. And, I might add one of the best un-biased commentaries I have heard. Look for David Lionhardt.
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hate liberals eh?
must mean you hate democracy too
conservatives like you would like to see a return off the Bath party in this country
ABunker said, "Tonights speakers are a lineup of wackjobs and morons led by that serial woman-abuser and accused rapist, the perverted-president Bill Clinton, who for all of his faults, didnt intentionally try to destroy this country like the Muslim communist we have now..."
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Archie, I take it you are an "independent" voter, who often votes Republican? If you so disliked Clinton, surely you will love The Romney-- except for the fact Romney is not exactly what you might call a "mainstream" Christian, either-- one Baptist spokesman denied Romney is in any sense a Christian (but what does he know)?
And speaking of presidential candidates with exotic overseas backgrounds, the Romney family actually spent a lot of time-- three generations-- in a foreign land called Mexico, apparently to escape prosecution by Los Federales for polygamy.
So, there you have it-- The Romney is (1) not exactly a Christian (2) a child of very mixed parentage, if not untraceable altogether and (3) the political chameleon who, as governor of the blue state of Massachusetts, launched Romneycare, very similar to Obamacare.
The Romney and you probably need to have a talk about that.
-----------by VooDooChile- September 5, 2012 9:06 PM EDT
What is is it with your, and the right's, obsession with communism and socialism? I hear the words "communism" and "communist" from the right more today than I heard at the height of the Cold War. Well, the Cold War ended in 1991. I know that conservatives like to live in the past, but this isn't 1952. Joe McCarthy is long dead. Your ridiculous obsession with and paranoia about communism is actually quite sad.
Obama is not a communist, the Democrats ares not communists and communism is not a factor anywhere in this country. Your wild accusations defy reality. The ACTUAL Communist Party of the USA is a fringe group with little support. They haven't run a presidential candidate in years, since the "glory days" of ol' Gus Hall.
Try living in the world of reality for a change.
Mr. Bunker, please report to the principal's office immediately. Your history grade will not permit graduation, and your parents / guardians / principal others have been notified.
Mr. Bunker, you will be required to spend your vacation on a history paper, defending your stated belief "The Communist manifesto and the democrat party platform are interchangable."
This is called a "term paper" and will determine your educational status. You also will take remedial English, with emphasis on spelling.
So by this definition, Obama supporters must be insane if they expect the second 4 to be different from the first.
CaptainSmollett said, "Insanity: doing the same thing twice and expecting a different result. So by this definition, Obama supporters must be insane if they expect the second 4 to be different from the first..."
-------
Democrats couldn't replicate the 2008 campaign if they tried, so they haven't. In fact, they appear to have sharpened and improved their focus on the issues that matter most to the American people.
And yes, they expect different results-- much better results, this time.
Yes wwe do have short memories. President Bill Cilton repealed the Glass-Steagall's act that President FDR put into place after the great depression. President FDR and leaders at the the time knew the dangers of banks and security,s. After Presdient Bill Clinton signed the law repealing this law. The banks became unbridaled which then ended the melt down. Under Democrate leadership Both by Presidaent Clinton and later when the Democrates Controled Congress did in fact the melt down happened
darkhorseky said, "... Yes wwe do have short memories. President Bill Cilton repealed the Glass-Steagall's act that President FDR put into place after the great depression..."
--------------
Clearly, the American public already believes it knows the political culprit for the recession-- the GOP and its policy and doctrine of DEregulation. Even the man-in-the-street understands crime flourishes when police are absent, and corporate white-collar fraud thrives without government (SEC)market oversight to protect investors and keep the brokers honest.
DEregulation is the same policy for which the GOP gleefully took credit back in 1999 and 2000, when Sen. Phil Gramm (R, TX) led the charge for the Financial Services Modernization Act (Gramm-Leach-Bliley, 1999) and
the Commodity Futures Modernization Act (2000). Gramm had pushed to repeal the Glass-Steagall Act, which for decades had kept regulatory barriers between commercial banks and investment banks and let government halt predatory subprime lending.
The way Sen. Gramm and his GOP peers wrote the GLB bill, the SEC was effectively put to sleep. One of its provisions states "The (SEC) is prohibited from ... promulgating, interpreting, or enforcing rules; or ... issuing orders of general applicability; ... as prophylactic measures against fraud, manipulation, or insider trading with respect to any security-based swap agreement[.]".
Pres. Clinton trustingly signed the measure, assured by banks that DEregulating the derivatives market would help prevent market excesses.
In any case, Clinton's fellow Democrats were not fooled. However Clinton rationalized the Gramm measure to himself, GOP promises lacked a ring of truth. Senate Democrats stood firmly against the Gramm bill at its final, party-line vote passage by the GOP, 54-44, with Hollings (D-SC) the sole exception.
The US House had a differently-named version of the measure, and passed that bill in an unrecorded voice vote. Having passed the House, the two houses of congress met in conference, with the Democrats fighting a rear-guard action to bolster privacy protections and community investment safeguards mandated by the Community Reinvestment Act, in return for accepting passage of the GOP-written bill.
The following eight years under Bush2 witnessed a fraternity house climate on Wall Street, in which the big players wrote a new chapter on "excessive market exuberance" (but not even a quiet footnote of prosperity for most Americans)-- and all their raucous profiteering without the protective regulation an SEC might have provided for investors.
Their bacchanale of financial fraud (in the Enron style) culminated in the Wall Street disaster of 2008.
As early as September, 2008, the GOP already was in full denial. Bush2 still insisted the US economy was "growing", and McCain claimed the economy was "still strong". Until late in his campaign of 2008, Sen. Gramm, architect of DEregulation and now a fast-deepening recession, was economic advisor to GOP nominee McCain. That is, until he committed the grand denial of telling worried Americans they were in a "mental recession".
Months later, defeated in election, and left in abject shame for not only failure of its DEregulation policy, but a host of policy failures ranging from Afghanistan to Iraq to Katrina, the GOP now faced the albatross of guilt for Wall Street.
Although Wall Street banks, themselves, were the principal bad actors, only a GOP-crafted DEregulated market made such financial fraud possible.
The GOP desperately points out Wall Street money was given to both parties, not only the GOP. On cue, Faux News, The Wall Street Journal and various other GOP organs linger over Wall Street millions gained by Democratic Sens. Dodd and Frank, and other Democrats (including Hillary Clinton) as proof the GOP is not guilty, unless everyone is, and therefore none is.
Nice try but still, no cigar. While Democrats deserve the same heat as GOP congressmen for Wall Street lobby money, the recession itself is due primarily and directly to a GOP-sponsored change in ground rules for Wall Street. Wall Street is a massive financial crime scene, a crime which happened by design-- the perpetrators had no regulatory oversight to limit or proscribe their actions.
That very DEregulated regime was legislated by leading GOP congressmen. and massive financial fraud (euphemistically, "overleverage") was the only logical outcome of a DEregulated Wall Street dervatives market.
As the Center for Responsive Politics points out, "critics of Gramm-Leach-Bliley predicted that if these mega-banks were to ever fail, the impact on the U.S. and global economy would be so great that the public treasury--i.e. taxpayers--would have to rescue them."
And so it came to pass.
Your later comments on the Democrats retaking the house in 2006, followed in 2008 by the senate blithely ignore the fact that until Bush left office on January 20, 2009, the government was in massive gridlock. Contrary to your assertions about "total control" by Democrats, the Democrats enjoyed a supermajority for only a few months, at most, of that period. Without a supermajority, Democrats could not pass anything of consequence, leaving an assured Bush veto unnecessary.
Many people claim, in retrospect, to have seen the collapse. After all, Bear-Stearns failed the year before along the same fault lines. But to imagine all of Wall Street up to their collective necks in what George Soros politely terms "overleverage" was too large and frightening a prospect for bankers and fund managers, themselves.
PBS aired an excellent FRONTLINE segment on the Wall Street scandal, "Money, Power and Wall Street", which can be viewed from here--
http://video.pbs.org/video/2218309368/
I've nothing against profit but ethics is just as valuable as anything else. I'm sorry some people define "success" as "absconding ethics to meet one's personal, selfish goal".
Warren's major appeal, in addition to her stellar professional qualifications, is her opposition to unbridled power of the den of thieves many call the "financial sector".
Warren demonstrates far more energy in principled pursuit of the American public interest than many on Wall Street show in their narrow, greedy self-interest.
We must have more public leaders like Warren to help bring about a transformation in this country's attitude to the common interest, and to promote a sense of community and of nationhood. To honor and serve the public interest is our only way out of the debacle greed created.
npr.org/programs/fresh-air/
http://www.npr.org/programs/fresh-air/