It's too bad we can't seem to recognize that the problems we have is Top 1% vs. The 99%. It is not left vs. right. While the left and right have differences we also have a lot in common.
As long as we buy into the Top 1% setting us against each other, they will continue to be able to rape and pillage America with impunity. I still can't believe what the Wall Street Banksters did and got away with. We are toast, we are screwed unless we unite.
Both parties agree that the middle class tax breaks should not expire. Why can't the Republicans pass an extension out of the House? Only one reason. They want this economy to fail so they can blame the President.
Please state at least three (3) specific things that this president promises to do that you oppose, that you honestly believe justifies your wanting him out of office. Back what seems like empty rhetoric to me by sound reasoning. Sway some voters.
If in 1970 the United States, instead of giving lip service to alternative energy, had we actually taken action to develop green alternative means to provide energy then we would not be discussing this now. It may be a long road but it doesn't get any shorter if you never start down that road. Renewable energy and breaking our dependence on fossil fuel is a national security issue. Criticizing efforts to move down that road is counter-productive.
1. If Obamacare is unconstitutional, so is Medicare and Social Security. If Obamacare is immoral, so is Social Security and Medicare. Interstate commerce still requires federal authority.
2. Please name a few of these regulations, since you make it seem there are many, many of them. I seriously doubt that "all business owners [are forced] to reassess what we are doing..."
3. Please descrive the increased government handouts. You mean cutting taxes even further and creating more loopholes for Corporations? Those handouts?
We don't have 30 years to reduce fossil fuel reliance. The consequences are already in motion. It now becomes a matter of whether we can prevent negative feedback loops being in acted. Germany enacted government incentives and now has a significant percentage of their energy from solar energy. We have much better solar resources and wind resources. We just have big money polluting our air waves with "clean coal" advertisements and making prostitutes of our politicians.
Mortar....: 1. We have had a serious health care problem in this country in terms of cost for years. Any solution to it will cause some problems. How do we solve it without touching some of the issues you cited? Besides, wasn't the GOP for some of Obamacare before Obama pushed for it? Were they worried about "powers" then? What happened?
2. You must not mean "doing what we would like to do" because you know what some would do and it would not be pretty. You understand we need financial regulation (or go back to 2008 and that debacle) and air, water, land use regulations.
3. Government has always needed to give money to those who do not earn it to some extent. We really do not want the poor living as they do in some third world countries. People are unemployed so we need more food stamps. I agree as I worked 55 hour weeks before I retired and I do not want people giving funds for no good reason but the indigent need help. Could we be tougher on those who take advantage of our generosity? Probably, but that would hiring more to monitor the benefits. 4. How would Romney be any better at handling any of these problems?
The McLaughlin Group is example of mentoring discussion for America. They are loud, they fight for time to talk, and don't come to any consensus. I was in a Sunday School class and several class members started talking about how right it was for President Bush to invade Iraq. I didn't return. In another Sunday School class, a member stated that she didn't read the local newspaper because it was too liberal. She objected to an article on mountain top removal for coal. She subscribed to the Wall Street Journal instead. People gravitate to where they are comfortable.
I've been fighting the Republicans since 1972 when Richard Nixon was elected, they have never changed, they never will, and I hate them more today than ever. The moment I find out someone is a Republican, I am done with them - then they say I am closed minded - NO, I just know it's a waste of time to listen to them "explain" - there's nothing to explain, I know everything that has happened since 1972, I know who voted for what, I have it all together, I don't need to hear some lamebrain tell me we need small government and low taxes when the entire nation is going to heck. The "market" has never solved any of our problems, and certainly isn't going to start, we need wisely directed application of our resources to solve our problems and only a government can do that. Romney offers NO solutions to ANY of our problems, he just wants the 1% to have everything and the rest of us can stay outside looking in at the party. We need to divide into two countries, let the Republicans and conservatives GO - just let them go create their theocracy where the rich people rule and the churches decide what's real and who gets rights. Let their corporations pollute everything and pay people pennies with no health care, let them stack their courts with businessmen and corporate clowns, let them invade whoever they want to, and be corrupt I'm SICK of these people. We need our own progressive country where the hillbilles do NOT block the congress with their anti-abortion hysteria, where the needs of the people are NUMBER ONE, where SCIENCE rules, and alternative energy is IMPORTANT, we need to stop being one nation at war with itself, we need to separate into two nations, and we'd quickly see which one prospers and which one sinks into the dust.
by Mortar29Inf1SG June 5, 2012 10:54 AM EDT Zann, you continue to throw around racism, when it isnt even on the radar of factors involved.
You are better than this!
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Mortar I witness this on a daily basis! Don't assume the rest of the world's reality is anyting like the rosy picture you painted before you stuck your head in the sand!
actornaught - As a Southerner who has spent pelnty of time up north I can say that overt racism is much more evident up north. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist down here (it does) it is just more subtle. I have aslo noticed since frequenting this board that northerers tend to apply a "Dukes of Hazzard" stereotype to the south that only demonstrates their ignorance of what living in the south is truly like. Come on down and visit awhile and see what southerners are really like. If you still don't like it ... well as the late great Louis Grizzard liked to say "Delta is Ready When You Are"
Oops! It was posted but quickly removed! Will post again in response to Zan-Zell's comment that "Racsim was harnessed by the rich and used against the country."
by ugacrew June 5, 2012 10:48 AM EDT That is it in a nutshell. The current President attempted to rein in the long-time abuses of Wallstreet, Banks and Big Businesses; take uncapped and variable high interest rates student loans out of the hands of wealthy private lenders to make them more affordable and more available to lower income individuals thus making making educational opportunities more available; made critical and streamlined changes to the home lending process so as increase homeownership among citizens; targeted funds for long-neglected and crumbling infrastructure improvements to aid our american cities in looking more like the wealthy country they represent, and this lists goes on.
This President's attempt to level the playing field in this country, coupled with the fact that he is a Black man, has been more than most of the privileged can handle. One can liken the divide to the Civil War. They used the federal deficit as their guise when in fact, if they had been this concerned about this deficit it never would have risen to this level in the first place.
When they cry "we want to take our country back," they would be more honest if they were to say, "we don't want to level the playing field, we like being the most privileged and at all costs."
I fear the worst. What we are seeing now is nothing compared to the run-up to the 2012 elections. It won't stop there.
Unless we have a president and a fillibuster proof congress both of the same party, nothing will get done. Even then, very little will be accomplished. Our leaders are not listening; or, if they are, they are listening to the wrong people. And then we have 2016 and beyond to consider.
The divide is largely along ideological lines. The ideology can be religious based, based on class distinction, based on racial or cultural lines; it really doesn't matter. What matters is the narrative and for way too many, the narrative is ALL that counts. If objective truth and reality don't fit the narrative it is the truth and reality that must be changed, but never the narrative. I see this world-view digging in process everywhere I look and it is disturbing. Particularly in view of the historical fact that of all conflicts that degenerate to violence and warfare, it it the ideologically based ones that are the most deadly.
What happened to President Obama being the great "uniter" on his campaign tour he promised to unify the parties and "get passed petty politics." What happened? Why are we more divided today than ever? If his policies and programs are working, then why isn't there unity and support from BOTH sides?
...I love how some are still hung up on racism thing...the president is bi-racial and not all black, despite his outward appearances, he is still 50% white...seems to me those that refuse to recognize this are the racists...
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As long as we buy into the Top 1% setting us against each other, they will continue to be able to rape and pillage America with impunity. I still can't believe what the Wall Street Banksters did and got away with. We are toast, we are screwed unless we unite.
1. If Obamacare is unconstitutional, so is Medicare and Social Security. If Obamacare is immoral, so is Social Security and Medicare. Interstate commerce still requires federal authority.
2. Please name a few of these regulations, since you make it seem there are many, many of them. I seriously doubt that "all business owners [are forced] to reassess what we are doing..."
3. Please descrive the increased government handouts. You mean cutting taxes even further and creating more loopholes for Corporations? Those handouts?
2. You must not mean "doing what we would like to do" because you know what some would do and it would not be pretty. You understand we need financial regulation (or go back to 2008 and that debacle) and air, water, land use regulations.
3. Government has always needed to give money to those who do not earn it to some extent. We really do not want the poor living as they do in some third world countries. People are unemployed so we need more food stamps. I agree as I worked 55 hour weeks before I retired and I do not want people giving funds for no good reason but the indigent need help. Could we be tougher on those who take advantage of our generosity? Probably, but that would hiring more to monitor the benefits.
4. How would Romney be any better at handling any of these problems?
I was in a Sunday School class and several class members started talking about how right it was for President Bush to invade Iraq. I didn't return. In another Sunday School class, a member stated that she didn't read the local newspaper because it was too liberal. She objected to an article on mountain top removal for coal. She subscribed to the Wall Street Journal instead.
People gravitate to where they are comfortable.
Zann, you continue to throw around racism, when it isnt even on the radar of factors involved.
You are better than this!
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Mortar I witness this on a daily basis! Don't assume the rest of the world's reality is anyting like the rosy picture you painted before you stuck your head in the sand!
by ugacrew June 5, 2012 10:48 AM EDT
That is it in a nutshell. The current President attempted to rein in the long-time abuses of Wallstreet, Banks and Big Businesses; take uncapped and variable high interest rates student loans out of the hands of wealthy private lenders to make them more affordable and more available to lower income individuals thus making making educational opportunities more available; made critical and streamlined changes to the home lending process so as increase homeownership among citizens; targeted funds for long-neglected and crumbling infrastructure improvements to aid our american cities in looking more like the wealthy country they represent, and this lists goes on.
This President's attempt to level the playing field in this country, coupled with the fact that he is a Black man, has been more than most of the privileged can handle. One can liken the divide to the Civil War. They used the federal deficit as their guise when in fact, if they had been this concerned about this deficit it never would have risen to this level in the first place.
When they cry "we want to take our country back," they would be more honest if they were to say, "we don't want to level the playing field, we like being the most privileged and at all costs."
Unless we have a president and a fillibuster proof congress both of the same party, nothing will get done. Even then, very little will be accomplished. Our leaders are not listening; or, if they are, they are listening to the wrong people. And then we have 2016 and beyond to consider.
The divide is largely along ideological lines. The ideology can be religious based, based on class distinction, based on racial or cultural lines; it really doesn't matter. What matters is the narrative and for way too many, the narrative is ALL that counts. If objective truth and reality don't fit the narrative it is the truth and reality that must be changed, but never the narrative. I see this world-view digging in process everywhere I look and it is disturbing. Particularly in view of the historical fact that of all conflicts that degenerate to violence and warfare, it it the ideologically based ones that are the most deadly.
I predict a very bleak future for this country.
Me too.
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Racsim was harnessed by the rich and used against the country.