Being gay is nothing more that a sexual preferance in partners. Nobody is "born gay" and by saying you are gay don't give you a differant status than anyone else here in America. This is a learned behavior. With gay people it's all about the sex between the people, maybe because some of these people are afraid of the opposite sex or cannot communicate with them on a sexual level.
There is the problem. I don't know how many gay/lesbians you know but they all disagree with you. I have worked in healthcare most of my life. What I've noticed is that people hate most the things they fear most about themselves. Just saying.
I love the "moral, science" arguements...lol. Really? So being divorced 4 + times is okay, leaving children/not supporting children, having affairs- this is all ok as long as straight people are performing it...too funny.
The discriminations against Gay Americans is disappearing more and more every day. Soon candidates that share the same outdated and discriminatory views as Perry, Bachmann and Santorum as the old saying goes "Will not be able to get elected dog catcher". The three candidates I've mentioned have pledged to further the agenda of only a few over the rights of all. They will never be President. Perry will not be re-elected governor and Bachman will not be returning to the House.
Why is it so repulsive to conservatives to allow others the access to the same legal tax alternatives and benefits for those they share committed relationships? This is the discrimination that must be addressed.
i think it's time to put your ***** away and focus on more important issues. You have the right to be gay. Beyond that you suffer like everyone else. I think abused children are more important than who you put your ***** in.
Everyone has the same rights...Marriage in its truest sense is not a right when it defies it origin. It wasn't invented or sanctioned by man. One must go to the One who created it. Man doesn't have the authority to approve or endorse the union between a man and a man, or a woman and a woman. Perry confesses that he is a Christian. It's understood that he appeals to a higher authority. People don't have a problem with Perry. They have a problem with his God! They also consider the bible to be equivelent to hate crime literature, because it forbids unlawful and lustful unions which defy the order of God and nature, heaven and earth, the invisible and the visible. Let those who oppose him on these issues, speak the truth and say plainly that they hate him because he is a Christian. That's the truth.
Well if that is true then why did I have to pay the State of Florida for a marriage license and why did I have to present said license to the USAF so I my wife and I could receive quarters allowance or live in base housing?
I've found the only reason to say "That's the truth" is because someone failed to give any evidence of truth; truth is usually self evident. You decided that a particular book explains the meaning of life and has instructions on how to live life given by some superior creature. I'm glad you found something you personally think is real, you should be the person that follows those personal conclusions. The problem starts when people start to believe their personal opinions are infallible. Evangelicals, Al Qaeda, the Taliban, all think this way. They all want to force their personal opinion on others with force of law. Thinking your opinions are infallible is a self induced illusion; because you believe in a god, you are somehow equal to him. It's like stating "I met Einstein once, so I'm a genus" My bible is Human Reason and Empathy, I'll live by mine, you live by yours, and in America, neither should be forced on the other.
Actually Religion has no place in this government. For many of us it's all a myth and nothing more. The Bible is nothing more than a book of parrables that started bring written about four thousand years ago. It has men interpreted and reinterpretd. It has been edited and has had parts of the original book taken out if it didn't fit into someones plan to control the masses. The Bible is a good book but thats all It is not the word of God only the work of man.I don't care what anyone's reigious beliefs are. Just leave them out of the government.
You should read Liars for Jesus, it documents the facts that prove YOU are wrong. It shows the facts of how evangelicals are trying to rewrite history to weaken the constitution, hide the real desires of the founding fathers and turn America into a theocracy.
It is simply sound judgement to observe that homosexual subcultures are demographic dead ends; as a general rule, they produce no future citizens, soldiers, taxpayers etc.; in fact, they often mock heterosexuals as mere "breeders". Read the essay "Law and Marriage" at <sober2ndthoughts.blogspot.com>.
What drives me crazy over issues such as this is that the group that most strongly advocates less government intrusion in our lives (Republican/Conservatives) seem to be the same group that feels that it is fine for government define and legislate (DOMA/DADT) what is a appropriate and inappropriate behavior between adults.
When the government gives tax breaks and other benefits to one group of citizens (heterosexual) but then denies those same benefits to another (homosexual) then the government is legislating morality.
For you so-called conservatives out there, you really should be concerned about the government doing this because what may be moral to the majority of legislators today might be considered immoral in the future.
You are really confusing two diametrically opposed views. Big government has nothing to do with moral legislation. But, it is very interesting that you don't want morality legislated but you DO want immorallity legislated. How about child molestation, should that be illegal? Public nakedness? Teen Prostitution? Rape? It seems YOU want to decide what morals get enforced. Face it homosexuality is NOT natural but an aberration of choice not fate. I am a conservative and I would fight for anyone's right to be gay. One's lifestyle is a choice I would defend, as I would someone choosing to remain single or choosing a career. But don't expect people to call it normal or moral.
happy, I don't know how you surmised that I want anything legislated from my comments. In fact I don't think that governments should issue or charge for marriage licences nor should there be such a think as "married filing jointly" on taxes. I also never siad whether I approved or disapproved of hetero or **** sexuality. What I insinuated was that government should not be involved in our personal lives. Your other ridiculus comparisons speak to assualt.
"you are basing your position on your ill informed and prejudiced position." ____________
Since I have been gay all my life, it's actually a quite-well-informed position. It's my experience and my life. And it's supported by medicine and psychology. __________________________________________________________________ While I respect your experience and your position, understandably, it certainly isn't without prejudice. I would like to know how you were born gay? And what sort of documented support is from the general medical and psychology boards? I'm not challenging your choice, I would like to be better informed. Obviously, all this conversation is based on one's personal belief, I, as a Christian, believe the bible on morality and the non-christian has adopted another set of standards. I have had long time friends with strong gay tendencies who have not acted upon their desires and have known others who flaunt it. So, while my experience isn't as yours, I haven't had my head in the sand.
AOCGUY, you have it right. 2HAPPY2RIDE's doesn't understand the difference between a rape victim and a gay marriage victim. One victim has suffered a violent crime against their person the other victim an evangelical whose sensibilities are offended by knowing the two women down the street are gay and just might be married.
There seems to be some confusion with this idea that gays want to force, so called conservatives, like 2happy2ride to accept homosexuality, not the case. I pay taxes and expect to be treated equal in America. The last think gays care about is a group of pius people who live by a deity that they created in their own image. I personally find that image vile, hypocritical, ignorant and immoral and that image adds nothing positive to the world, only bad.
It is tragic that candidates have no spines as they cower to the pressure of Evangelicals. Romney showed his openmindendess in MA when he passed legal gay marriage laws. But he has changed his mind, specifically to get the nomination in the national election. Why doesn't he become a leader and educate the Republicans who are mired in Republican Platform rhetoric? The sae goes for Newt.
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You decided that a particular book explains the meaning of life and has instructions on how to live life given by some superior creature. I'm glad you found something you personally think is real, you should be the person that follows those personal conclusions. The problem starts when people start to believe their personal opinions are infallible. Evangelicals, Al Qaeda, the Taliban, all think this way. They all want to force their personal opinion on others with force of law. Thinking your opinions are infallible is a self induced illusion; because you believe in a god, you are somehow equal to him. It's like stating "I met Einstein once, so I'm a genus"
My bible is Human Reason and Empathy, I'll live by mine, you live by yours, and in America, neither should be forced on the other.
You should read Liars for Jesus, it documents the facts that prove YOU are wrong. It shows the facts of how evangelicals are trying to rewrite history to weaken the constitution, hide the real desires of the founding fathers and turn America into a theocracy.
When the government gives tax breaks and other benefits to one group of citizens (heterosexual) but then denies those same benefits to another (homosexual) then the government is legislating morality.
For you so-called conservatives out there, you really should be concerned about the government doing this because what may be moral to the majority of legislators today might be considered immoral in the future.
But, it is very interesting that you don't want morality legislated but you DO want immorallity legislated. How about child molestation, should that be illegal? Public nakedness? Teen Prostitution? Rape? It seems YOU want to decide what morals get enforced. Face it homosexuality is NOT natural but an aberration of choice not fate.
I am a conservative and I would fight for anyone's right to be gay. One's lifestyle is a choice I would defend, as I would someone choosing to remain single or choosing a career. But don't expect people to call it normal or moral.
"you are basing your position on your ill informed and prejudiced position."
____________
Since I have been gay all my life, it's actually a quite-well-informed position. It's my experience and my life. And it's supported by medicine and psychology.
__________________________________________________________________
While I respect your experience and your position, understandably, it certainly isn't without prejudice. I would like to know how you were born gay? And what sort of documented support is from the general medical and psychology boards? I'm not challenging your choice, I would like to be better informed.
Obviously, all this conversation is based on one's personal belief, I, as a Christian, believe the bible on morality and the non-christian has adopted another set of standards. I have had long time friends with strong gay tendencies who have not acted upon their desires and have known others who flaunt it. So, while my experience isn't as yours, I haven't had my head in the sand.
There seems to be some confusion with this idea that gays want to force, so called conservatives, like 2happy2ride to accept homosexuality, not the case. I pay taxes and expect to be treated equal in America. The last think gays care about is a group of pius people who live by a deity that they created in their own image. I personally find that image vile, hypocritical, ignorant and immoral and that image adds nothing positive to the world, only bad.
Hee Haw!