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- How many courts upheld segregation of Blacks? How many courts upheld that women had no inalienable right to vote?
The courts were wrong. Bigotry is alive an well for now...
But we all see where the tides are taking us. You betcha. The GLBT united and had an agenda. And it will free America of bigotry.
In 10 years the position that these fireman can choose not to participate in a gay pride event if the city so chooses will be considered absurd.
Weren't the social conservatives, like yourselves, upholding have blacks in separate bathrooms and using separate water fountains? It hasn't been 50 years since that was considered rational. Now look. People would indeed be considered not quite right if they suggested something like that today.
The world has changed. We will marry. Men will have children with men. Women will have children with women. Your way of life is disappearing.
It brings my heart joy to see the frustration it is causing those who are bigoted. Bigotry is always the last to know and the least insightful.
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- The Real Truth Behind The San Diego Gay Pride Parade - California Jury Sides with Conscientious Firefighters
A jury in San Diego has decided local firefighters have the right to refuse to participate in the city's "gay pride" parade.
The Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) sued on the firefighters' behalf after the San Diego Fire Department forced them to participate in the parade and retaliated against them for complaining about the harassment they endured during the event. After the lawsuit, the Fire Department changed its policy.
?Many people may mistakenly think the ?gay pride? parade is merely a ?fun? event,? said Joe Infranco, senior counsel for ADF. ?They never would have imagined the crude sexual harassment these firefighters were forced to endure.
"In truth, the goal of homosexual advocates is to undermine society?s long-held values. They continue to seek this, whether by demanding participation in ?gay pride? parades or by trampling the democratic process to redefine marriage.?
If I'm mistake please reply in the usual vicious dialog we have come to identify as Gay Pride and prove my point. So Sad! - Reply to this comment
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- I agree... The SF Fire Department shouldn't have forced those men to participate if they chose not to. I believe that ruling was quite just.
When it comes to the SF Pride parade/spectacle, as a gay person, I'm not quite in agreement with that. And... I don't think what happens during it really does represent the gay community. In truth, to me, it just seems more like a glorified Marti Gras event.
- Yes, indeed this is the homosexual agenda; to undermine current societal values. And yes, like other groups disenfranchised from basic rights because of being in a separate group, this should not be considered something to be voted on. Inalienable rights are not voted upon.
You would think it reasonable if the gay population swelled to a majority that it would be acceptable to deny heterosexuals marriage? This isn't a numbers game. This is about inalienable rights.
- I agree... The SF Fire Department shouldn't have forced those men to participate if they chose not to. I believe that ruling was quite just.
- by gkgmd June 30, 2009 5:59 PM PDT
And...I must say...I am thankfully not Christian... So therefore I am allowed to take great pleasure in seeing the anger and fire in the eyes of bigoted America as they lose this battle. It makes my heart laugh joyfully with contentment. :)
You and me both. - Reply to this comment
- Of course polygamy should not be illegal. This is government respecting one religion over another. Why should any of us assume we have the right to stand in the way of two consenting adults contractual relationship??
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- Let's take a vote. Who are the weakest, feeblest, deserving pity in our Country? Those with paraplegia confined to wheelchairs... (think Steven Hawkins) or those who are bigoted? (think KKK and neo-Nazi's).
My vote is those who suffer the maligancy of bigotry. They bring shame to all humanity. - Reply to this comment
- And...I must say...I am thankfully not Christian... So therefore I am allowed to take great pleasure in seeing the anger and fire in the eyes of bigoted America as they lose this battle. It makes my heart laugh joyfully with contentment. :)
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- Because we are intelligent, wealthy, and have family and friends.
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- We continue as an immoral nation because our country's government continues to support the "Don't Ask Don't Tell Policy."
Truman did not say "Oh it will be disruptive and make the soldiers uncomfortable to share quarters with blacks. I want to be practical."
Truman showed higher character in going against the public and doing the right thing; he was Presidential, unlike our current President.
June 26, 1948, Truman signs Executive Order 9981, which states, "It is hereby declared to be the policy of the President that there shall be equality of treatment and opportunity for all persons in the armed services without regard to race, color, religion, or national origin." The order also creates the President's Committee on Equality of Treatment and opportunity in the Armed Services.
Anyone who considers homosexuality should review the historical record. The founder of Christian Protestantism, Martin Luther, advocated burning Jews homes and not hiring them because they were blasphemers.
The Southern Baptist Conventions origin, from my reading and understanding, was formed primarily because it supported slavery, unlike the rest of the Baptists in the Country.
"I've seen the mountaintop." - Reply to this comment
- by CLoverNYC1 June 30, 2009 3:02 PM PDT
by black_howler June 30, 2009 2:50 PM PDT
Gays are being beaten, shot at, sent to the hospital, killed.
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*yawning at the cut and paste propaganda*
You're correct that homosexuals are a minority in this country.
Statistically, the homosexual population is a little more than 1%.
Why President Obama is kowtowing to pressure from this minority is the mystery.
You call yourself a christian?!?! - Reply to this comment
- by CLoverNYC1 June 30, 2009 2:48 PM PDT
Hungry1968,
I know what... go alone into an all-black church in Harlem and tell them how you 'really' feel about their history of slavery, their struggle in this country against discrimination, and how the homosexual agenda in America is the same according to you.
Tell that to the people whose grandparents were lynched, castrated, hosed, executed, homes burned to the ground, called 'n---r', considered chattel, their wives and daughters raped, their land taken away from them because blacks weren't considered equal to whites in this country.
I dare you.
I wouldn't hesitate for a MINUTE to tell ANY black (and I have) that their struggle from the 1960's, is EQUIVALENT to the struggle that the gays face today. You know what the main difference is? Today you consider the struggle that the blacks face to be "bad", yet if you were around back in the 1960's, you'd be manning the hose yourself, and turning the German Shepards loose in the crowd. Your attitude is the EXACT same as those racist scumm from the deep south.
By the way, what you described sounds like what Israel does to the Palestinians, EVERYDAY - TO THIS DAY.
Will you NOW renounce and denounce Israel for their atrocities? - Reply to this comment
- by CLoverNYC1 June 30, 2009 2:36 PM PDT
*Clover laughing, shaking head*
A bar fight involving a group of deviants in a low-down village dive got ugly. A riot broke out. It made news. Big whup.
That incident will never stack up as EQUAL to slavery, the slaughter, lynching, hosing, and mass discrimination of countless millions of black people because of the color of their skin.
No matter how much you whine.
No comparison. Deal with it.
Gays were tortured, beaten, brutalized, and sentenced to DEATH for THOUSANDS of years, around the world in EVERY COUNTRY.
The blacks faced the SAME levels of discrimination and bigotry, but only in THIS country, for approximately 250 years.
Why do you recognize the brutality and wholesale murder of one group of people, and deny that it EVER happened to the other, when the level of brutality and atrocities are IDENTICAL between the two?
By the way, the atrocities committed against BOTH the blacks AND the gays, usually happened at the hands of christians and other religious types. (The justification for slavery in America was Leviticus 25:44.) Will you now denounce christianity for the atrocity committed against the blacks, and renounce committing the SAME atrocities against the gays?
Or are you a hypocrite? - Reply to this comment
- Well, personally I see it as the US catching up with the numerous nations who already recognize same sex marriage/civil Unions. Such as Canada, England, Hollad, Ireland etc.
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- CloverNYC1: I'm cutting and pasting my own argument? That's a new one. Second, the homosexual population is much higher, probably around 10%. There's still a lot of people in the closet due to bigotry and ignorance in this country. And if you include bi-sexuals, that number is far higher.
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- by black_howler June 30, 2009 2:50 PM PDT
Gays are being beaten, shot at, sent to the hospital, killed.
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*yawning at the cut and paste propaganda*
You're correct that homosexuals are a minority in this country.
Statistically, the homosexual population is a little more than 1%.
Why President Obama is kowtowing to pressure from this minority is the mystery. - Reply to this comment
- Violence against a minority group
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_LGBT_people
Gays are being beaten, shot at, sent to the hospital, killed. In the Middle East, they are killing gays among other groups out of hatred. Is this what we want America to become? Do we want America to revert back to the 1960's when groups were killed and segregated against for simply no good reason? Do we want to follow the ways of the Middle East and Al Queda? Let's push forward, it's time to end bigotry, discrimination, hate, and ignorance. This is modern America, not the Dark Ages. - Reply to this comment
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- by black_howler June 30, 2009 2:50 PM PDT
Gays are being beaten, shot at, sent to the hospital, killed.
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*yawning at the cut and paste propaganda*
You're correct that homosexuals are a minority in this country.
Statistically, the homosexual population is a little more than 1%.
Why President Obama is kowtowing to pressure from this minority is the mystery.
- CloverNYC1: I'm cutting and pasting my own argument? That's a new one. Second, the homosexual population is much higher, probably around 10%. There's still a lot of people in the closet due to bigotry and ignorance in this country. And if you include bi-sexuals, that number is far higher.
- by black_howler June 30, 2009 2:50 PM PDT
- Here is why the slippery slope argument fails.
Let us take the 4 common arguments: beastiality, pedophilia, incest, and polygamy. First off, all 4 of these are fetishes, and irrelevant to homosexuality, which is a sexual orientation. Let me distinguish this for you using incest as an example. If a guy into incest is straight, he'll choose his sister, and if he's gay, he'll choose his brother. See the distinguishment? Now pedophilia and beastiality will never be legal, because both are non-consenting and harmful, whereas homosexuality is 2 loving consenting adults that is not wrong or harmful. Incest, also has been shown to lead to genetic defects, so that is also out of the question. Incest also is a fetish, not a sexual orientation. I have never seen a person exclusively attracted to their brothers/sisters etc. Which leaves polygamy. Now i'll prove why homosexuality also won't lead to polygamy.
Who the two people getting married are, is a completely different question in law than how many people can marry. The states have all agreed to prohibit polygamous marriage. They have given numerous public policy reasons and the prohibition stands.
Equal protect applies so long as a rational public policy reason exists to prohibit certain marriages.What is the rational public policy reason for prohibiting a gay couple from marrying? Six states and seven jurisdictions have said there isn't one.
No court or legislature has made a finding that letting two people of the same-sex marry will somehow permit more than two people of any gender to marry. Allowing prisoners to marry and allowing inter-racial couples to marry didn't make polygamy acceptable and it didn't make all married couples criminals or bi-racial. You have no point, you are relying on assumptions and "what ifs" that have been proven to be myths and false. There is no evidence showing gay marriage having a higher chance of leading to polygamy than heterosexual marriage.
All 50 states and the federal government have said there is a public policy reason to prohibit polygamous marriages. With 5 years of gay marriage in Massachusetts, no one has asked to marry more than one other person in Massachusetts, let alone say the 14th amendment of the US Constitution gives them that right.
The slippery slope is a myth meant as a scare tactic that's quickly becoming obsolete. - Reply to this comment
- Homosexuality is not a sin according to the Bible. Any educated Christian would know that. Scholars who have studied the Bible in context of the times and in relation to other passages have shown those passages (Leviticus, Corinthians, Romans, etc) have nothing to do with homosexuality. These passages often cherry-picked while ignoring the rest of the Bible. The sins theses passages are referring to are idolatry, prostitution, and rape, not homosexuality.
http://www.soulfoodministry.org/docs/English/NotASin.htm
http://www.jesus21.com/content/sex/bible_homosexuality_print.html
http://www.christchapel.com/romans_inter.html
http://www.stjohnsmcc.org/new/BibleAbuse/BiblicalReferences.php
http://www.gaychristian101.com/
Thats why Jesus never mentions it as well. There is nothing immoral, wrong, or sinful about being gay. Jesus, however, clearly states he HATES hypocrites. If you preach goodness, then promote hate and twist the words of the Bible, you are a hypocrite, and will be judged and sent to hell. Homosexuals will not go to hell, hypocrites will.
This is very similar to the religious bigots of the past, where they took Bible passages to condone slavery, keep women down, and used Bible passages to claim blacks as curses who should be enslaved by the white man. People used God to claim that blacks marrying whites was unnatural, and not of God's will. - Reply to this comment
- Homosexuality is not a choice. Just like you don't choose the color of your skin, you cannot choose whom you are sexually attracted to. If you can, sorry, but you are not heterosexual, you are bi-sexual. Virtually all major psychological and medical experts agree that sexual orientation is NOT a choice. Most gay people will tell you its not a choice. Common sense will tell you its not a choice. While science is relatively new to studying homosexuality, studies tend to indicate that its biological.
http://www-news.uchicago.edu/releases/03/differential-brain-activation.pdf
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/sex/dn14146-gay-brains-structured-like-those-of-the-opposite-sex.html
Gay, Straight Men's Brain Responses Differ
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,155990,00.html
http://www.livescience.com/health/060224_gay_genes.html
http://www.springerlink.com/content/w27453600k586276/
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/06/16/172/
There is overwhelming scientific evidence that homosexuality is not a choice. Sexual orientation is generally a biological trait that is determined pre-natally, although there is no one certain thing that explains all of the cases. "Nurture" may have some effect, but for the most part it is biological. - Reply to this comment
- Hungry1968,
I know what... go alone into an all-black church in Harlem and tell them how you 'really' feel about their history of slavery, their struggle in this country against discrimination, and how the homosexual agenda in America is the same according to you.
Tell that to the people whose grandparents were lynched, castrated, hosed, executed, homes burned to the ground, called 'n---r', considered chattel, their wives and daughters raped, their land taken away from them because blacks weren't considered equal to whites in this country.
I dare you.
You wouldn't dare because even YOU know that's a load of crap. - Reply to this comment
- by hungry1968-15 June 30, 2009 2:15 PM PDT
gays had it EQUALLY as bad as the blacks did for THOUSANDS of years.
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Hungry1968
*Clover laughing, shaking head*
A bar fight involving a group of deviants in a low-down village dive got ugly. A riot broke out. It made news. Big whup.
That incident will never stack up as EQUAL to slavery, the slaughter, lynching, hosing, and mass discrimination of countless millions of black people because of the color of their skin.
No matter how much you whine.
No comparison. Deal with it. - Reply to this comment
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- Hungry1968,
I know what... go alone into an all-black church in Harlem and tell them how you 'really' feel about their history of slavery, their struggle in this country against discrimination, and how the homosexual agenda in America is the same according to you.
Tell that to the people whose grandparents were lynched, castrated, hosed, executed, homes burned to the ground, called 'n---r', considered chattel, their wives and daughters raped, their land taken away from them because blacks weren't considered equal to whites in this country.
I dare you.
You wouldn't dare because even YOU know that's a load of crap.
- Hungry1968,
