Comments on: Pelosi Takes A Gamble On Climate Change Bill

[ubrew12]

Californians complain about their high taxes, and some of them are among the highest in the nation. The problem is that, due to loopholes, the wealthy and corporations squeeze out of most of them.

Here's the only statistic that matters: California is 17th in the nation in the fraction of its state income that is taken in state taxes. Its hardly the worst in the nation, its closer to the center. And unlike some of these other states, it is both broke, and can't figure out what to cut: it needs to raise taxes.

The problem is that the 2/3rds supermajority vote required to raise taxes essentially says that 'one republican is worth two democrats', so as long as that fascist rule is retained, nothing will get done.

[geminispyder-2009]

Well, the choices were:
Have a governor that left the state with a FY2003 $37 billion dollar deficit and force California residents to pay $400-$600 a year on what should be a $125/year for car registration?
Or elect a new governor to work with a legislature that couldn't decide on what to have for lunch?

You tell me what you would've done smart a$$.

[whitemale08]

Scientists at the end of the 14th century 'discovered' (not speculated) that water erosion could in theory erode every land space.

However because of volcanoes and other natural causes, land will form again elsewhere.

[tbird6740]

Would SOMEBODY just PLEEEEEEEEEZE shut Nancy Pelosi UP?

[ralpherus]

tbird- what, you mean like someone who took the oath to actually live up to the oath? I have been waiting for that for DECADES. It is going to be up to the people to LIVE THE OATH.

[dartplayer501]

by geminispyder-2009 June 23, 2009 11:21 AM PDT

And Grey Davis got recalled because of it.

And that worked out real well didn't it.

[geminispyder-2009]

Well, the choices were:
Have a governor that left the state with a FY2003 $37 billion dollar deficit and force California residents to pay $400-$600 a year on what should be a $125/year for car registration?
Or elect a new governor to work with a legislature that couldn't decide on what to have for lunch?

You tell me what you would've done smart a$$.

[dartplayer501]

There is one possibly good outcome from this bill failing - it might spell the end of Pelosi as speaker. Then we can get someone who's good at the job and we take away one of the wingnuts lightening rods.

[geminispyder-2009]

They did (not exactly, it was the car registration tax; which in California, it might as well have been air).
And Grey Davis got recalled because of it.

[geminispyder-2009]

"The legislation aims to meet that goal by instituting a price on carbon emissions through a "cap-and-trade" system, which would enable industries to buy and trade permits that allow them to emit certain levels of carbon."

So, Pelosi + "cap-and-trade" = all corporations need are tons of money to put out all the crap air they want.

Did I miss something?

[dartplayer501]

A few general questions for GW deniers. What do you hope to accomplish? Do you really believe that Al Gore dreamed up GW just for the hell of it? What happens if you're wrong - if the scientists are wrong, they'll just make another model - if you're wrong and we do nothing you'll drown and life as we know it will cease. Isn't it a good idea to avoid that possiblity? If we carry on the way we are GW will arise if it hasn't already - why are you so in favor of pollution? Why are liberals out to destroy the world's economy? - what could we possibly gain from that?? Why did banning DDT lead to the deaths of millions of Africans? There's more but that's enough for now. I challenge any one of you to answer these questions.

[ubrew12]

It is past time we did something about proven GW. The half-wit right will be the last to figure out what is happening. The longer we wait, the more draconian the measures will have to be, if GW turns out to be as bad as it possibly could.

Do you think rightwingers think about the millions of poor people who will be displaced by rising sea levels in places like Bangladesh, and Central and South America? Where do they think those people will go, when their property goes underwater?

When the time comes, they'll just pull out their guns and shoot to kill. Killing is what they're good at.

[dartplayer501]

by whitemale08 June 23, 2009 10:57 AM PDT
The Vanuatu in the Pacific was predicted to erode back in the 14th century.

By who?? The island wasn't even DISCOVERED until the 18th century (Louis Antoine de Bougainville in 1768). You really think that the natives knew about the rest of the world, let alone global warning?? And then Hawaii - where did you get that idea from?? If anything the Big Island is getting larger - it's a volcano. You really MUST stop reading imarightwingnutcase.com.

[whitemale08]

Scientists at the end of the 14th century 'discovered' (not speculated) that water erosion could in theory erode every land space.

However because of volcanoes and other natural causes, land will form again elsewhere.

[whitemale08]

The Vanuatu in the Pacific was predicted to erode back in the 14th century.

Hawaii was twice its size over millineum ago.

Your 'experts' are just used-car-salesman.

[Gary_Crashed]

Iam4honesty, you sound like a typical liberal fascist, any one who disagrees with you should be demonized and threatened. Tilting at windmills and forcing our county to spend billions and then trillions on trying to stop climate change will prevent us from having the resources to compete and ultimately kill the goose that lays the golden egg (free markets and free consumers, freedom to succeed and the risk of failure) If you want to point fingers then point them at the phony environmentalist that condemned millions (yes millions) of poor Africans to death because we emotionally and hysterically banned DDT. But I am sure that there are people out there that believe that the loss of a few million poor blacks is worth it to make themselves feel that they are saving the planet, even if they are wrong.

[whitemale08]

I hope this bill goes down in flames and never rears its ugly head again.

To believe that this country wants to further de-industrialize our economy by powering it with 14th century windmills is beyond belief.

This is what happens when you let the banksters like Goldman Sucks and JP Morgan take over the government, they get bailed out which 'crowds out' real investment to rebuild America.

So they say: 'We gave you a cheap cheezy stimulas package, what are you complaining for?' and that means they are going to guarantee their loot by forcing MASSIVE MASSIVE AUSTERITY on the rest of us.


What a shame!

[ubrew12]

Do you realize what a tool you are for the fossil fuel industries? These guys charge an arm and a leg for liquid that they literally pump out of the ground, and use their profits (note: Exxon is the most profitable company in world history) to keep alternative energies from every getting the development money they need. Windmills don't have to use 14th century technologies, but is Exxon has its way, it will.

Thanks for helping Exxon keep this country in the stone age.

[impeachbhb]

Watch out Nancy. The EPA is lying to you just like the CIA did.

[dartplayer501]

There is one possibly good outcome from this bill failing - it might spell the end of Pelosi as speaker. Then we can get someone who's good at the job and we take away one of the wingnuts lightening rods.

[fctex]

"a postage stamp a day" logic is simplistic at best and deceitful and wrong minded. I don't want to pay 40+ cents a day (that's $160 bucks a year) for this and how many more "stamp" projects the spend/spend demos are passing! how does this fit with "no new taxes"???????

[dartplayer501]

Global warming really doesn't give a damn which party you are, whether Al Gore is dead or alive, or whether you "believe" in it or not. By most data gathered by climate experts (i.e. those who actually know something about the subject) GW is happenening. I suggest all you naysayers move to Vanuatu in the Pacific. There you'll be able to sit on the beach and not believe that the 6 foot high island is going to disappear in 20 years.

[whitemale08]

The Vanuatu in the Pacific was predicted to erode back in the 14th century.

Hawaii was twice its size over millineum ago.

Your 'experts' are just used-car-salesman.

[dartplayer501]

I thought that's what the EPA was founded for.

[au_fait]

the are not just discussing pollution. But hey who needs these companies to hire people, shut em down and we can all live on welfare.

[iam4honesty]

Any politician, Democrat, Republican or Independent who votes against this bill should be tarred and feathered. Even if the predictions are not correct, there is absolutely no excuse for supporting pollution, unless of course it is for bribes.

[leeanna59]

Does the bill make any accommodations as regarding how we will impose restrictions on China and India? I think the restrictions will cause what businesses are left to go broke. It says the average household will pay only about $175 more a year. What if you budget is stretched and you don't have $175 more a year? Cut back more. Okay, so in the next sentence, it says, "The poorest households would, in fact, save $40 a year." How does that work? Why will the average household save money, but the poorest will make $40? Wow, I hope they don't spend it all in one place.

[natnat8476]

Yes iam4honesty. Any politician that votes against this bill is FOR pollution. Supporting pollution is a big platform this politicians have stood on right? Wow- another uninformed lib.

[government_control]

California politicians would figure out a way to tax the air if they could.

[dartplayer501]

I thought that's what the EPA was founded for.

[geminispyder-2009]

They did (not exactly, it was the car registration tax; which in California, it might as well have been air).
And Grey Davis got recalled because of it.

[ubrew12]

Californians complain about their high taxes, and some of them are among the highest in the nation. The problem is that, due to loopholes, the wealthy and corporations squeeze out of most of them.

Here's the only statistic that matters: California is 17th in the nation in the fraction of its state income that is taken in state taxes. Its hardly the worst in the nation, its closer to the center. And unlike some of these other states, it is both broke, and can't figure out what to cut: it needs to raise taxes.

The problem is that the 2/3rds supermajority vote required to raise taxes essentially says that 'one republican is worth two democrats', so as long as that fascist rule is retained, nothing will get done.