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[jankebenzone]

Without oxygen, death is 100% certain, that fact has been in place since the begining of time. Untold billions have testified to the fact.
The truth is undeniable, yet some would argue otherwise.
The truth about the bible and God is abundantly evident, yet many will argue otherwise. Thats why the 100 % certainty thereof is by divine revealation.

[gkgmd]

I always found the Pastafarian believers interesting. They believe in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Most of the logic they use is the same as Christian proofs. http://www.venganza.org/spread-the-word/

Would you support protecting marriage by enacting criminal punishments for adultery and laws disallowing divorce?

[gkgmd]

And indeed you may be right jankebenzone. But again here is my confusion. The Bible talks a lot more about adultery and divorce. But Christian society has allowed divorce and doesn't penalize adultery. How do you decide when you have two people claiming divine inspiration, each rejecting parts of the Bible, each having very logical demonstration of their logical process. How do you choose which one really is divinely inspired?

[jankebenzone]

Now here is the catch. This is a recognized religion having a Judeo-Christian calling. Most all in this denomination (primarily heterosexuals) would say they have been divinely inspired to know that same-sex partners should be allowed all the benefits of holy union legally and religiously. The would tell you this is their faith as inspired by the Creator of all Things.

I wonder if you had been born into this faith, instead of the one you are a part of, if that would have impacted you in anyway.

What do you thing?
Posted by gkgmd at 5:11 PM : Jun 15, 2009

A lot of questions. First of all if the so called divine inspiration does not line up with the bible ( the core of christianity) than the inspiration is'nt from above but of our own misguided thinking. The bible is abundantly clear on homosexuality yet many self proclaimed "christians" think they can dictate God.

Secondly as to ones up bringing, in brief , even a good number of muslims and islamists have converted to christianity when presented with the gospel dispite the indoctrination of their parents beliefs.

[gkgmd]

And indeed you may be right jankebenzone. But again here is my confusion. The Bible talks a lot more about adultery and divorce. But Christian society has allowed divorce and doesn't penalize adultery. How do you decide when you have two people claiming divine inspiration, each rejecting parts of the Bible, each having very logical demonstration of their logical process. How do you choose which one really is divinely inspired?

[jankebenzone]

And indeed you may be right jankebenzone. But again here is my confusion. by gkgmd June 15, 2009 5:54 PM PDT

How did you overcome your confusion about medicine before you became a doctor, you spent a lot of time studying and learning to gain knowledge.
The same applies to gaing knowledge of the bible, God, and his principles. Knowledge brings wisdom, and wisdom provides the right answers.

[gkgmd]

jankebenzone

Science would say the following. There is a null hypothesis and an alternative hypothesis. Your hypothesis and the alternative are:

h0 = all **** sapiens require oxygen to stay alive
h1 = not all **** sapiens require oxygen to stay
alive

First off how will you test this? The only way you could test it with absolute 100% certainty is to deprive every human that ever exist or will exist of oxygen.

Now lets suppose you have 1000 people that died due to suffocation. Those people would support your null hypothesis h0. The larger the sample size the higher the certainty. But it would just take one human being with an aberrant gene that didn't require oxygen, in the past or future, to cause your hypothesis to be rejected.

That's why science can never "prove" anything.

Are you familiar with Quantum Mechanics and the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. Any reputable physicist will confirm this principle validates what I'm saying.

[jankebenzone]

Without oxygen, death is 100% certain, that fact has been in place since the begining of time. Untold billions have testified to the fact.
The truth is undeniable, yet some would argue otherwise.
The truth about the bible and God is abundantly evident, yet many will argue otherwise. Thats why the 100 % certainty thereof is by divine revealation.

[gkgmd]

My background in religion is years of informal study and prayer as a child, teen and young adult. I actually gave sermons and led choir as a teen and young adult. I formally studied Honors Old & New Testament as well as World Religions at a well-know Southern Baptist University.

[gkgmd]

jankebenzone

I'm referring to courses in logic, scientific method, and advanced statistics--analytic and descriptive. All these describe the methods of science, the errors one encounters logically and the best ways to analyze data.

Can you give me the reference of a scientific article where the authors have stated that they have "proved" something in the conclusion section? I'm fascinated. You indeed may teach me something of which I am unaware.

-gkgmd (physician)

[jankebenzone]

I am a physician with pretty strong training in scientific method. I wasn't aware that the scientific method could ever prove anything. My understanding of it from m 24+ years of study has always been that evidence can only support the null hypothesis or cause you to reject it. This is the first I've ever heard of using scientific evidence to "prove" with certainty anything as opposed to supporting.
Posted by gkgmd at 4:37 PM : Jun 15, 2009

As a physician you should have seen that science can and does prove the evidence. For example humans/life need oxygen and nutrience to survive, the evidence of death without such is solid and factual proof.
Science has proven the validity of the bible by numerous studies in history, archeology, dates, places,books and writing comparisons, ect ect. Just as becoming a doctor takes much learning and study, so does becomeing knowledgeable about the bible take much study and learning.

[gkgmd]

jankebenzone ,

My parents came from different Christian denominations with very different practices -- one a very conservative Calvanistic descended faith, the other evangelical. When I was 5 I used to always wonder why we went to our church and why the Methodists went to there's and the Baptists and Catholics to there's. There weren't any Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims...etc. ...for me to wonder about. But I did wonder what if I had been born to parents of the other faith. Would I have unfortunately been destined to go to the "wrong" church.

My faith ultimately lead me to acclimate most to a Protestant faith. One could call that a divine revelation I would think. This faith officially dates back to 1825 in the United States and 1568 in Europe.

Now here is the catch. This is a recognized religion having a Judeo-Christian calling. Most all in this denomination (primarily heterosexuals) would say they have been divinely inspired to know that same-sex partners should be allowed all the benefits of holy union legally and religiously. The would tell you this is their faith as inspired by the Creator of all Things.

I wonder if you had been born into this faith, instead of the one you are a part of, if that would have impacted you in anyway.

What do you thing?

[jankebenzone]

jankebenzone

Were you born into your religious faith? or did you convert to it?

-gkgmd (physician)
Posted by gkgmd at 4:28 PM : Jun 15, 2009

Both , my parents and theirs were christians, as for myself, I saw the light so to speak after divine revelation and witnessing a miracle healing that dumfbounded our own physician.