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- To trade our hard earned values for "high value information" is decadent, immoral and wrong! There are other more intelligent ways to get this "high value information" and it doesn't involve losing our sense of morality and duty to the Nation and to our fellow human beings.
LOL. That's great satire.
Oh wait, I think he was serious. That's the real tragedy of this post and so many like it.
It's a politicians post. Hard earned values? What a great vague statement. Which values would those be? The ones Abraham Lincoln embraced when Habeus Corpus was suspended? Or maybe the ones where lying is OK, as long as its just about sex. Or maybe even that all life is sacred, but only as long as it can cry or defend itself. Or the big whopper, that marriage is a sacred vow and contract to love, cherish and respect your partner for life.
You and your ilk apparently love to speak of high moral values on one hand, while you actively seek to destroy them with the other.
When the fall of Western Civilization comes, it won't be because of any harsh interrogation procedure, or the suspending of Habeus Corpus, internment of Japanese, or any other necessary evil of war. It will be because of the deluded fantasy that you embrace. - Reply to this comment
- No one told her to tell her troops to take pictures of their prisoners with nooses and leashes and in the nude.
If that were the case, she would have produced the documentation long long ago to save her sorry career.
Posted by gramps1941 at 12:35 PM : Apr 22, 2009
She shouldn't have been there and we all know it! She joined the Army to make a few extra bucks helping out in Floods or Riots. The fact is though and for some reason YOU people keep ignoring , as disgusting and embarrassing as these things were to this Nation, those folks took the fall for Bush and Cheney! If they had ANY Honor what so ever they would have come forward RIGHT then, RIGHT there and presented the position of their lawyers. If the acts were legal and all could see that why tear down these people? - Reply to this comment
- The president was embarrassed that pictures came out and made the soldiers go down for it, while denying his own wrongdoing.
Posted by FreeGraner at 12:19 PM : Apr 22, 2009
It should be pretty obvious to anyone who cares that Bush was just plain Incompetent and a coward. Those kind of people ALWAYS let the little guy take the fall. I'm glad for those guys that the Truth came out. There is Little Doubt that Bush and his DOJ had NO problem with what they did, yet he let them hang!! - Reply to this comment
- This is what happens if you DO NOT release the Truth! These were just US Service Members who were trained more for responding to floods than they are being Guards at a High Profile Prison! Some times I look at the Mess called Iraq and wondered how Bush would have faired against a REAL foe, say like China! The Man had NO courage and certainly had NO honor to allow these Troops to take responsibility for acts HE and his Justice Department said were just fine!! Now you want to talk about a Scum Bag?? This guy was the master of ALL scumbags!!
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- Scapegoating is a huge part of the Bush dynasty leadership. Other people do all the work. If the outcome is positive, Bush takes all the credit. If the outcome is negative, a scapegoat is selected and set up to take the blame. When GWB agreed to let this general take the blame for something she didn't do, he wasn't thinking about anything but himself. It was ruthless, dispicable, and a disgrace to America, but GWB will never care about any of it.
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- To Gramps 1941
Were you at Abu Ghraib on Tier 1A? or even in Iraq for that matter?
The whole point is Obama is excusing the interrogators because they were following orders. So YES, Gramps 1941, the interrogators WERE involved just as much as the low-level soldiers who were convicted. Did you see "all" of the pictures? Not just the ones you refer to. There are intelligence officers involved.
In addition, EVERYONE there took pictures. There was an amnesty box available AFTER the "seven bad apples" were charged for EVERYONE ELSE to dispose of any incriminating pictures, etc.
Everyone there was involved. Everyone knew what was going on, and only a handful of soldiers suffered the consequences.
You need to get your facts straight. - Reply to this comment
- Our government ALWAYS puts the blame on some scapegoat.......when the orders came from the top,,,,,to disobey them would mean charges against the soldiers being ordered to follow those orders,,,,,,,,G W Bush and Richard Cheney,,,,, are to blame and they should be charged with war crimes,,,,by not making the ones responsible pay,,,we are putting EVERY American soldier in the future in grave danger of being tortured.
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- This Reserve general was neither competent nor in control of her troops. SHe was busy living in a very nice set of quarters and I have serious doubts as to whether she even know what was going on at Abu. I doubt she ever set foot in the place after her initial familiarization. Those low life untrained and unqualified troops were not interrogators or intel collectors, they were bored, immature and did things that no self respecting intel gatherer would engage in. Once again, this sorry excuse for an Officer is blaming others for her incompetence.
No one told her to tell her troops to take pictures of their prisoners with nooses and leashes and in the nude.
If that were the case, she would have produced the documentation long long ago to save her sorry career. - Reply to this comment
- I agree the idea that We engaged/condoned the use of torture to gain information is anathema to Our values. Wouldn't a hit of acid (LSD) or other psychedelic accomplish the same goal without resorting to pain as a persuader?
The worst of it is the lawyers employed by the Bush administration to find a way of interperting the law to allow this unethical conduct. Thank God Cheney, Bush and the GOP are no longer in power.
Oh by the way, the worst failure of intelligence occurred on Bush's watch. It's interesting that all of the previous administrations did not condone these methods under which no intelligence failure of the magnitude of the failure under the Bush administration occurred. Effective methods,I don't think so-massive failure of leadership under Bush/Cheney, ABSOLUTELY! - Reply to this comment
- Well stated Ol Red!
By the way, the "top" is not still under control. That's the beauty of having a new president. Obama is in control and HE should make bush and his right-hand men (and woman) take full responsiblity of their actions.
That's what a REAL leader does, takes responsibility for his/her actions (bush) and holds others responsible for their actions (Obama).
We already know that bush failed as a real leader. Let's see if Obama will pass the test. - Reply to this comment
