Comments on: Abu Ghraib Head: We Were Scapegoated

[norcalruss]

Of course the underlings at Abu Ghraib were scapegoated. That is the way it always works, the cowardly higher ups like Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and others find a few fall guys to allow them to escape unscathed. The sooned these maggots get put on trial the better.
Posted by norcalruss

You being the smart person you are....you do understand that the President was not in personal contact with the "troops" at Abu Ghraib....there are "many" levels of Command between the White House and the troops....levels of command in which....policies are interperted....added to...deleted from...then acted on. What happen there was clearly wrong....much of the questionable actions were not "torture" as ...is being discussed of late.....but rather degrading....crude actions. This certainly was not one of the Armys finest efforts....A major failure of Leadership at the UNIT level.....

Posted by whosaid1 at 2:31 PM : Apr 22, 2009

True there are many levels, but I think it would be naïve to think, as the top brass wanted us too, that this was only the isolated work of a few lower level enlisted personnel. This is why a special prosecutor is needed to investigate. The investigation done under the Bush Administration was a scam to give them cover and buy them time. If the war was over by the time they left office no one would be talking of Abu Ghraib anymore.

[trueblueusa]

Shrub & Dicck Watched the
"Waterboard Videos "
And Choked their chickens in Delight !

[slcadman2001]

The irony of this is that the fools who benefit from the freedom our soldiers provide are the same ones who use that freedom to tie one of the soldiers arms behind his back.

The same people who post about the honor and ideals of America being violated don't know the first thing about honor, or what it really has taken to establish and defend it.

Take a quick history lesson of our own American Revolution and think about how we won that conflict. As Americans, we embraced means of fighting that were considered barbaric and unseemly at the time. The British were unwilling to adapt 'down to our level' and as a result lost much of their military advantage and inevitably were defeated.

Which side do you represent in this new terror conflict? British or American? Based on the posts, I'd say the majority are British.

The sad fact is that so many Americans are ignorant that their country's history and values are of doing WHATEVER IS NECESSARY to WIN a war.

[norcalruss]

Of course the underlings at Abu Ghraib were scapegoated. That is the way it always works, the cowardly higher ups like Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and others find a few fall guys to allow them to escape unscathed. The sooned these maggots get put on trial the better.

[norcalruss]

?The line is clear,? she said. ?It went from Washington, D.C. From the very top of the administration with the legal opinions through Bagram to Guantanamo Bay and then to Iraq via the commander from Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. And the contractors who were hired to do those things.?

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The chickens are coming home to roost for the corrupt and criminal Bush administration. The information comes out in drips, like the water torture they administered. The Attorney General?s Office needs to appoint a special prosecutor NOW not later.

[mwatwanous]

The "high value information" obtained by torture , of which Dick Cheney and company are so proud just add no height at all and still no value at all to those who sponsored it through twisted argumentations . i don't know if those responsible of those immoral practices will be , in fine, prosecuted , but we should not allow them to attempt to defend absolute immorality in the name of relative effeciency !! Shame upon those who praise "hign value information" against moral and human values !!!

[FreeGraner]

Thank you skyk-2009!

Hello people!!! The point is... Bush outright lied to the world to save his butt. He APPROVED torture, humiliation, etc. whatever you choose to call it. He made it LEGAL.

When it came out to the public. He LIED. LIED and let the low level soldiers take the blame and go to jail. GO TO JAIL. We're talking LEAVENWORTH! Solitary confinement. No contact with family. No pay. All rights stripped of them!

Bush is walking around free while these guys CONTINUE to take the blame and serve their jail time.

I don't care if you think torture is right, wrong, or no opinion. The point is. What the soldiers did was follow legal orders. They are in jail for following orders, while Bush is free.

Everyone else is now immune to prosecution for following the SAME ORDERS that the other guys (Graner, etc.) were convicted and jailed for.

Whatever your stand is... you have to see the logic that GRANER and the others deserve the SAME rights as the CIA and anyone else immune to prosecution because they followed orders.

I don't care if you think the torture is right or wrong... but Bush was a horrible "leader" because a leader takes full responsibility for his/her actions. Instead, he LIED. LIED. LIED. And Graner still sits in a jail cell.

[skyk-2009]

When the fall of Western Civilization comes, it won't be because of any harsh interrogation procedure, or the suspending of Habeus Corpus, internment of Japanese, or any other necessary evil of war. It will be because of the deluded fantasy that you embrace.
Posted by slcadman2001 at 1:29 PM : Apr 22, 2009

How can you say that? I'll tell you this, I don't know what makes you people tick but it ain't American Values! My Dad fought in the Pacific and my Uncle in France. The FACT that they could say with Pride that America does NOT torture and then DEMAND that the leaders of the Third Reich stand trial... Man that is NOT a game. People were Tortured UNTIL death in Hitlers Camps and a commitment was made to the world by a Nation that had ALLOWED it to go on for YEARS before they acted. That Commitment is contained in the Geneva Convention and the UN Convention on Torture. There's also, a law my Dad was proud of, the Uncle is buried in France as a POW, it's the law on Torture. When He saluted the flag HE meant it! Being American AIN'T cheap, it AIN'T easy and it most certainly is not a place for Cowards like you!!

[skyk-2009]

SHRUB never stood for the principles of its military this is a huge gap in the "Support our troops" lapel pens he pushed for all these years.
Posted by TeabagBandit at 1:04 PM : Apr 22, 2009

Yep but it's an even more bitter pill to the Vietnam Veterans out here. We sat back and allowed him to USE us and our Division's over that Stupid War, against us to get elected the Second Time. Now THAT'S tough finding out what we've found out in the last few days. I'll tell you what, we OWE a lot to this President, he is OBVIOUSLY going to listen to the people, even though it hurts. The Man already has a MOUNTAIN on his back and relentless hate from the right. All he needs is the Rotten History we created and have to clean up.

[skyk-2009]

whosaid1 at 1:04 PM : Apr 22, 2009

Have you noticed that you consider about 70% of this nation to be "Liberal". Are you quite sure you have the education to be posting on here? Anyway what these people did, Bush and Cheney, letting these Troops hang for what they were telling us was Legal? Do you think it's fair to put them in jail?