Comments on: Hot Topic: Is U.S. A "Christian Nation?"

[aeconnelly]

These articles perpetuate the problems. never doubt that our nation is in fact the only country in the world to be strictly founded on morals. Hence the reason we are so successful. And, the religion (Christianity) is what our forefathers based the morals of the Constitution on. So, taking away religion in our schools, off of our currency, and essentially out of our country a good thing? Hell no it isn't. We shouldn't be so naive to think that religion doesn't matter in our country. It may not matter to you, and it doesn't matter to me at all. But, trust me. When it comes to the fate of our society, it means more than some may realize. Way more.
We need to preserve what we are as a whole, and stop worrying about every little individual. We need to look at the big picture. The only way to preserve the way we live is by preserving the place we live in and what it was founded on. It's common sense. We don't have to believe in Jesus or go to church, but by recognizing those things as part of the culture and heritage of our forefathers, and therefor ourselves, isn't begrudging other religions. We're only preserving our history and our values and ideals as a society. If you think the Constitution is impenetrable, think again. And, what do you think is keeping its essence in tact? Religion, whether or not people recognize it, plays a major role.

[fastlan3]

Can we agree that your term "christian" is used vaguely. That the constitution is in direct violation of biblical laws, and in no way is attributed to Christianity, but universalism. As in our Founding fathers own words -

"As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims] ... it is declared ... that no pretext arising from religious opinion shall ever product an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries....
"The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or a Mohammedan nation."
-Source- Treaty of Tripoli (1797), carried unanimously by the Senate and signed into law by John Adams (the original language is by Joel Barlow, US Consul)

Further clarified-

"The founders of our nation were nearly all Infidels, and that of the presidents who had thus far been elected [Washington; Adams; Jefferson; Madison; Monroe; Adams; Jackson] not a one had professed a belief in Christianity....--President Wilson
-Source- The Reverend Doctor Bird Wilson, an Episcopal minister in Albany, New York, in a sermon preached in October, 1831. One might expect a modern defender of the Evangelical to play with the meaning of "Christianity," making it refer only to a specific brand of orthodoxy, first sentence quoted in John E Remsberg, Six Historic Americans, second sentence quoted in Paul F Boller, George Washington & Religion, pp. 14-15

So, please respect each others intellect and be sure to accept when you may be mistaken. Thank you.

[technologist3]

Speak for yourself. Salvation is for slaves, not free men

Nope, you have inverted morality. You are slaved to your sin, and refuse to call it such. Arrogance and intellectual idolatry befuddles your judgment,

[fastlan3]

what is sin, but what one or a lot think is wrong? And how can it be that another may feel such may be "right"? Why are so many things considered "sin" in Christianity, and many things we now in present time feel are wrong are not mentioned and even allowed in biblical reference (god's own words)?

We have change, but has god?

Of course Christianity is a contributing factor as are many other faiths and ideals. But, what would be the christian notion of rule of law, if Christianity were to assume control and power over our nation and its laws? As the Ten commandments of Moses and other contributing Mosaic laws would surely be detrimental and destructive towards peace of any kind. And the following laws the character jesus pronounced had nothing to do with individual happiness and equality for all.

May I ask if you have wife or a girl friend, did you find her or others pretty and may have found yourself with them? Do you own "anything"? Or is there anything you "want"? All forms of lust and greed (deadly sins). So, if you want to live, is not life a sin?

[honestabe8]

We all must repent.
Posted by technologist3

Speak for yourself. Salvation is for slaves, not free men

[toldyouso29]

You can separate church and state but you cannot separate religion from society, and that is the burr in the atheist/secular humanist saddle.
Posted by CLoverNYC1 at 2:46 PM : Apr 15, 2009


Can you really? As long as preachers can tell church members wo to vote for or what issues to vote for or against from the pulpit--or large churches deliver edicts or dictates contrary to law (or face excommunication) there is NO separation of church and state.

Most people do not even realize WHY the 2 should be separated or what it was like when churches or the papacy ruled the masses. Most people think their own church leaders or goers are actually pious and not capable of heinous corruption.

[toldyouso29]

If you people would look around you and put 2 & 2 together, you would see this economic disaster is part and parcel of your average Joe's rejection of God in this country.

We all must repent.
Posted by technologist3 at 4:50 PM : Apr 15, 2009


Revelations 18. If America (like Nineveh) does not repent from the evil of wars and torture based on lies--we are all toast==you can take THAT to one of our failing banks.

[technologist3]

As is usual the MSM runs a story pretending to suppose a debate on the religious identitiy of this nation.

In truth, CBS and Newsweek are scallywags pushing the humanist/athiest agenda and outright attacking Christianity under the rubric of journalism.

We all see through this and will fight the fight if it comes to us. Yet no genius at the MSM has bothered to write an article linking the "increasing secularization of America" and "the progressive destruction of America". If you people would look around you and put 2 & 2 together, you would see this economic disaster is part and parcel of your average Joe's rejection of God in this country.

We all must repent.

[slownewsday05]

Wrong. Read the Constitution of the United States and study the lives of the men who wrote it.
Posted by CLoverNYC1


Actually, it's you who is wrong in that case.

Thomas Jefferson plainly said that one's beliefs should be between themselves and their god, and not inflicted onto the public.

Also, try reading the first 10 words of the First Ammendment.

[CLoverNYC1]

Judaism and Christianity introduced NO principles which were not already commonplace. Therefore "Judeo-Christian principles" do not exist.
Posted by hower4 at 1:31 PM : Apr 15, 2009
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Wrong. Read the Constitution of the United States and study the lives of the men who wrote it.

[CLoverNYC1]

No. America is a secular nation.

The paradox is that our laws are based on Judeo-Christian principles (i.e. the ten commandments).

You can separate church and state but you cannot separate religion from society, and that is the burr in the atheist/secular humanist saddle.

[CLoverNYC1]

No. America is a secular nation. The paradox is that our laws are based on Judeo-Christian principles which make religion inseparable from American life.

You cannot separate church and state but you cannot separate religion from society and that is the burr in the atheist/secular humanist saddle.