Dear Amdphoto, You keep saying that gays are trying to defy the bible, and that gays go by feelings rather than logic to support why they want marriage. My question to you is have you ever really studied the history on this subject in the bible? If you have, you would know that alot of people believe that the bible doesn't condemn consentual homosexual relationships due to the fact that the bibles of today dont actually reflect what they said in original scripture. Furthermore original scripture seems to only condemn relationships that are unmoral, such as ones in actions of pederasty. The argument is so solid that it can be said that a persons prejudice is what dictates peoples beliefs not the bible. In other words, logically if you trully dont have prejudice and are only following the bible then you could be in support.
So i say to you, if you think you are teaching the right thing unto your kids, look into this topic.
ofo50......you can see your partner in the emergency room with a health care directive. You don't need to be married to do this. Just education. No need to change laws for that. They do have rights to your benefits. Just make enough money with your education and skill to leave to your partner through your will.
ofo50 said...
There is no "gay agenda" just as there is no "heterosexual agenda." We are just people who would like to take care of our loved ones. Why does my partner not qualify for survivor benefits? How does keeping me away from my loved one in the emergency room improve anyone's marriage? Peace to all.
Hopefulsd...if you don't want to be like "us" then stop trying to get "married" the way we are married. Write your own type of marriage with your vast knowledge and education and live by it. Oh, I forgot you won't get the "benefits" which are mostly monetary that "married" people like us get. You already can have a power of attorney and will to cover those you "love". This is not meant to be harsh just thought provoking.
Snarkysnark...If you remove God, you don't have to worry about having any definition hard rooted, time tested to define anything. When God is removed we are all "right" and should be able to do as we wish. It's funny how the many of our laws in this country are based on the same Bible that gays are wanting to defy. What should be next and who will judge since people like throwing out there noone should judge. Don't judge me. Ha! Ever heard of admonish and advise (which is not judging). People wake up and get a grip. All evil has a trickle effect. It's not just about you as an individual. We are so much more a whole society with all of our actions affecting others. Being gay does affect others. Stop and think about it. You just choose to ignore it for your own desires.
Sirman, the foundation of our beliefs have stood the test of time. It seems many gay people's beliefs are based on how they feel with not much more depth and solidity than simply that. I am disturbed at the connotations that people who do speak up are gay bashers or homophobes and don't have a right to say something about this public display of sin. I am raising my sons to understand that we each cannot justify behavior that God says is wrong in any circumstance. I do not teach them to be mean to anyone. I teach them to be kind but this does not mean that they have to accept this behavior. Nor does this make them "wrong" for saying that it is wrong. The foundation of our country is founded on Judaeo-Christian concepts and values. It will not matter how much anyone tells me or my children that this is acceptable, it will never be. If we justify this behavior what's to stop us from justifying other behavior that is wrong? People need to be kind to each other but they also have a moral responsibility to admonish and advise when someone is doing wrong. People try to intimidate those who do admonish and advise by saying they are judging and using their favorite quote of ?God says not to judge." My children should not have to accept the connotations that the media and individuals push out there. We will never be wrong for believing what God teaches. We have a foundation for our beliefs that have stood the test of time. Again, those who think that the foundation the country was founded on is flawed is fooling themselves. When the core cracks we all will crumble.
I believe that a significant portion of humanity has shown what they believe when presented to them to vote on. Thirty states have defined marriage in their constitutions because of this craziness. In only one state has the constitutional amendment failed in a general election. The people have spoken and will continue to speak. Why not make your own set of rules and just live by them. Stop trying to change, rules and laws that are already in existence, that don't work for you. If you wish to remove God from everything that doesn't suit you do so and see how it works out for you. Don't expect the rest of us to do that. Stop trying to redefine humanity. If anyone, including judges, thinks in this period of time that the foundation we have lived by for thousands of years has been wrong and suddenly everything is becoming clear, you're fooling yourself. Two people can love each other all you want. Under God you cannot do unnatural acts regardless of whatever gave you the desire to do so (birth or choice). So, stop trying to get all the rights that the rest of us that live by what our country was founded on. Stop telling us, "God says not to judge" unless you read the rest of the Bible. He says a whole lot more. God says to admonish and advise which many twist to say is judging but it's not. If we have no foundation to live by and we should all believe what we want and stop caring about whatever else is doing, the outcome will be chaos.
Please note that (aside from Vermont today) there IS a state legislature that has approved lesbian/gay marriage...California. Both bills were vetoed by dinosaur Arnold S.
Love will triumph...same gender couples will gain the right to marriage...
Take a look at the age breakdowns on the recent Prop 8 vote in California...the old dinosaur right wing reptiles will die off, and young people will seize the time
You know, the ones who argue that we are not "normal" are right. We are not "normal". We are most likely smarter than you. We most likely make more money than you. We more than likely are more attractive than you. we are very likely more educated than you. But more important than all of this, we certainly are more tolerant than you will ever be. We love ourselves but not at the expense of others. We recognize your right to be happy doesn't supercede ours, nor ours yours.
Our desire to be able to able to marry the person we choose to has nothing to do with our wanting to be validated as "normal". Why would we ever want to be "normal" when most of us are far more exceptional than that title would ever suggest? It is arrogant to suggest that this is about becoming more like you....to pass ourselbves off as one of you. Believe me when I tell you that the last thing any of us wants is to become like you.
endurorob: "When you consider that Hadrian met his lover when Hadrian was about 48 and the boy was 13 or 14 i would consider him a bit of a pedophile (gay pedophile)."
In fact, there's a good deal of controversy over just when Hadrian met Antinous, and, as we all know, sexual mores concerning men and youths was very different in ancient Rome than it is now. (Not to mention the fact that the age of consent in modern Italy is 14.) My point remains: those who, based on a 330-year-old book and some bad movies, seek to pin the Fall of Rome on homosexuality don't have the faintest idea what they're talking about.
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You keep saying that gays are trying to defy the bible, and that gays go by feelings rather than logic to support why they want marriage.
My question to you is have you ever really studied the history on this subject in the bible? If you have, you would know that alot of people believe that the bible doesn't condemn consentual homosexual relationships due to the fact that the bibles of today dont actually reflect what they said in original scripture. Furthermore original scripture seems to only condemn relationships that are unmoral, such as ones in actions of pederasty.
The argument is so solid that it can be said that a persons prejudice is what dictates peoples beliefs not the bible. In other words, logically if you trully dont have prejudice and are only following the bible then you could be in support.
So i say to you, if you think you are teaching the right thing unto your kids, look into this topic.
One site i suggest is ReligiousTolerance.org
ofo50 said...
There is no "gay agenda" just as there is no "heterosexual agenda." We are just people who would like to take care of our loved ones. Why does my partner not qualify for survivor benefits? How does keeping me away from my loved one in the emergency room improve anyone's marriage? Peace to all.
Love will triumph...same gender couples will gain the right to marriage...
Take a look at the age breakdowns on the recent Prop 8 vote in California...the old dinosaur right wing reptiles will die off, and young people will seize the time
Our desire to be able to able to marry the person we choose to has nothing to do with our wanting to be validated as "normal". Why would we ever want to be "normal" when most of us are far more exceptional than that title would ever suggest? It is arrogant to suggest that this is about becoming more like you....to pass ourselbves off as one of you. Believe me when I tell you that the last thing any of us wants is to become like you.
In fact, there's a good deal of controversy over just when Hadrian met Antinous, and, as we all know, sexual mores concerning men and youths was very different in ancient Rome than it is now. (Not to mention the fact that the age of consent in modern Italy is 14.) My point remains: those who, based on a 330-year-old book and some bad movies, seek to pin the Fall of Rome on homosexuality don't have the faintest idea what they're talking about.