From a distance, it appears that Loughner was/is psychotic, but a number of illnesses and conditions that can cause psychosis. People like him are probably rare - sociopaths in suits and medical coats who don't shoot up in public are probably far more common.
I don't know what he believed, but having had the misfortune of being a victim of unethical involuntary experimentation, I can say that victims are pushed into groups with these kind of beliefs... apparently it is something along the lines of right wing conspiracy theories a la "John Birch Society." A lot of the fake victims also try to increase victim paranoia on the internet (as if a whole large group of people were trying to get at them) and others push toward the libertarian/republican camp. Unfortunately, *de-regulation* is not the solution to the problem so they would be of no use. But after I saw the Loughner situation, I wondered if the real victims aren't pushed into those delusional or libertarian camps on purpose? The similarities are very striking to me.
The mind control issue is something else. First, MK Ultra - whatever it was - ended years ago. Although on the internet it states that the MK stands for "Mind Kontrolle" I wonder to myself if it's not a reference to MK-801. Fascination with the brain, the effects of LSD on the brain, etc. couldn't simply have been to program a Manchurian Candidate assasin. That's the cover story, but what were they really studying?
The point of "mind control" would be to have someone be unwittingly controlled. Believing that one is "controlled" by outside forces is something typical in certain types of delusions. That being said, there is certainly coercion, bullying and nasty marketing tactics abound. There might be ways to affect the brain or bodily functions, trigger emotions, sensations, thoughts or even behaviors, but people are not programmable robots.
I think that it is not coincidental that the stories about MK Ultra are more "fabulous" than the information in the few documents in existence. The documents point to studies that are not as exotic as Manchurian Candidates and yet should be far more worrisome to the public. Like its predecessor, the current study appears to want to push people into delusions or false beliefs about what it is, what the goals are and who exactly is behind it. And for that we have the conspiracy theories on the internet, extremist and delusional political parties, trolls and liars.
That being said, I doubt that Loughner was a victim of a vile research study or "mind control." It appears that he was a victim of some kind of disorder that ended up costing the lives of innocent people and destroyed his own future.
Not to be mean or ugly in saying this but I don't think there are enough drugs on the planet to pull this guy back through the ozone. I have met crazy people before but this kind of crazy is way beyond anything I could have imagined.
The books found in Jared's possesion were written by: Karl Marx, Adolf Hitler, and George Orwell. They are the MK-Ultra scientists that programmed Jared to assasinate!
Let's censor these DANGEROUS books! NO-- We must dig these authors up and put them on trial!
So let me get this straight... Rush Limbaugh is an MK-Ultra mindcontrol scientist who made a Manchurian Candidate assasin to kill a judge and congresswoman??
Ok you "journalists" please!!!!!!! I know you have to have some intelligence, you got out of college, but of course it was journalism.....neeeeeh maybe. Anyway, stop with the Sarah Palin crap, man she really scared the hell out of you guys. I don't know, now wait a minute, you may have something there. I watched Sarah Palin's Alaska the other night; then it snowed a foot in Alabama. There was snow on the TV and she was looking and walking in it. Soooo, with the logic of CBS, NBS, CNN, and MSNBC, the unusual amount of snowfall in Alabama is because Sarah Palin was showing snow on TV. OMG I have to go, I have to alert the meteorologists!!!!!!!
Jared Loughner is neither crazy, nor insane. He is very intelligent, and has been feeding his own mind with extremist viewpoints and compounded his condition by following double-standard, anti-social examples commonly found in news media, and other predator political engineering circles that reach out to impressionable minds.
The anti-social expression seen in recent political campaigns - especially on Fox News, and heard on many conservative talk radio shows, has constantly exposed him to unbalanced ideas which eventually gained control of him.
I am certain to say that he is one of many, who will terrorize this nation until the something can be done to restrain the news media from abusing first amendment rights with broadcast capacity in a medium without listener interaction who can oppose or contradict an anti-social or extremist viewpoint.
In the era of deregulated broadcasting, we have seen the nation of TV and Radio listeners polarized with divisive media. Such conditions didn't always exist. The younger generation is getting a pile of trash handed to them where sensible broadcast media policy is needed.
Wow, I'm surprised that the shooters Psychologist who has the education and training to identify whether a person is sane or not has the time to post on CBS.com /sarcasm
To give in to mob mentality and ignore facts is intellectual dishonesty ideological grandstanding
@Reality-Checker Here is a Reality check for you, you don't have a clue what you are talking about. I have never met this child, so I am relying on what teachers, friends, etc. are reporting. This boy is a sociopath, at best a psychopath, that needed help a long time ago. From his YouTube post, I would say you could add a little paranoid schizophrenia, you know like the guys with aluminum foil on their heads to prevent mind control. Delusion (believing government was controlling through grammar), argumentative (professor reported behavior), and from the reported behavior by classmates. This is an just an educated guess since little has been said about the family dynamics, but what was mentioned was not favorable. Also, there is absolutely no relationship between intelligence and mental illness. A great number of psychopathic serial killers have IQ's well above normal. Your thought process worries me. What is the difference between crazy and insane? A person of sound mind can be exposed to numerous points, but you seem to be rather passionately aggressive to any "conservative" points of view. You spout "abusing the first amendment rights," but in the next breath you are advocating"regulation." Are suggesting that anyone that have opinions that differ from yours should be silenced? Is that freedom; is that a normal though process? TV nor radio cannot "gain control" over a person that is of sound mind! Mental programing/deprograming is possible, but not with TV and radio. Anyone born after 1970 and received a "public education" has had 12 years of liberal programing. Oh, and yes medical background, just retired after 30 years of medicine and I have a PhD. Thirty years, I do question myself at times. Why people, why did I not become a Vet?
CBS and the same author of this article insinuated that Sarah Palin angered this mentally disturbed person to kill the Congresswoman.
What is sad to me is how quick the Left-Wing media is bring accusation to Sarah Palin, the Tea Party, and anything Republican.
On the killer, the fact that disturbs me is his ideas about our currency. When a person presents a Budget of $3.6 Trillion, when there is only $2.4 Trillion in Revenue for years, the Deficit increases from $450 Billion in 2009 to $1,400 Billion in 2010, and Congress PASSES the Budget, there is something to that point of the killer's thinking.
A. If you don't believe in the Death Penalty, then you are for the murderer getting life in prison paid for at the taxpayer's expense.
B. If you believe in the Death Penalty, then you need to realize that it costs more to execute than life in prison from Court appeals for a muderer, plus the 15 years of the appeals before the rightful, and thankfully the Penalty finally takes place.
C. If he is menally disturbed from eating twinkies, he get 8 years in prison, and then if Justice comes the murderer quickly commits suicide.
I have to admit I agree with you and part of what "propitiation" said. A life sentence is at the taxpayers expense, but the Death Penalty does not cost more. Lifers have just as much right to appeal as Death Row. In my opinion, there are numerous witnesses to the shooting, there is no "reasonable doubt," so to the head of the line he should go. Cost of drugs, maybe $20. Mentally disturbed, what a joke, of course cold blooded killers are all mentally disturbed, but they still did the crime.
" The evidence also shows that Loughner rejected U.S. currency, apparently because it was not tied to gold or silver. He argued that he should not have to pay debts in currencies not backed by gold or silver and backed the creation of a new, alternate currency. "
---------this must be why he could only afford to live with his parents! it is unfortunate they did not notice what a psychotic young man their son was, or they ignored his behavior hoping he would grow out of it....
As a left-leaning independent, I expected more from the democratic left in the aftermath of this tragedy.. Quite frankly, on this issue, I see very little difference between the way people expect right-wing conservatives to act, and the way many of YOU democrats jumped in with wild accusations about Sarah Palin INC. and others. This should not not ***-FOR-TAT. I realize that once she started defending herself with her stupid comments, she indicted herself. But the facts do not point that way-- and so why don't you all blast me for saying so.
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I don't know what he believed, but having had the misfortune of being a victim of unethical involuntary experimentation, I can say that victims are pushed into groups with these kind of beliefs... apparently it is something along the lines of right wing conspiracy theories a la "John Birch Society." A lot of the fake victims also try to increase victim paranoia on the internet (as if a whole large group of people were trying to get at them) and others push toward the libertarian/republican camp. Unfortunately, *de-regulation* is not the solution to the problem so they would be of no use. But after I saw the Loughner situation, I wondered if the real victims aren't pushed into those delusional or libertarian camps on purpose? The similarities are very striking to me.
The mind control issue is something else. First, MK Ultra - whatever it was - ended years ago. Although on the internet it states that the MK stands for "Mind Kontrolle" I wonder to myself if it's not a reference to MK-801. Fascination with the brain, the effects of LSD on the brain, etc. couldn't simply have been to program a Manchurian Candidate assasin. That's the cover story, but what were they really studying?
The point of "mind control" would be to have someone be unwittingly controlled. Believing that one is "controlled" by outside forces is something typical in certain types of delusions. That being said, there is certainly coercion, bullying and nasty marketing tactics abound. There might be ways to affect the brain or bodily functions, trigger emotions, sensations, thoughts or even behaviors, but people are not programmable robots.
I think that it is not coincidental that the stories about MK Ultra are more "fabulous" than the information in the few documents in existence. The documents point to studies that are not as exotic as Manchurian Candidates and yet should be far more worrisome to the public. Like its predecessor, the current study appears to want to push people into delusions or false beliefs about what it is, what the goals are and who exactly is behind it. And for that we have the conspiracy theories on the internet, extremist and delusional political parties, trolls and liars.
That being said, I doubt that Loughner was a victim of a vile research study or "mind control." It appears that he was a victim of some kind of disorder that ended up costing the lives of innocent people and destroyed his own future.
Let's censor these DANGEROUS books! NO-- We must dig these authors up and put them on trial!
LOL... you people are bonkers.. ROFL
IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!!!!!
(who is the real wingnut here... Jared or you?)
The anti-social expression seen in recent political campaigns - especially on Fox News, and heard on many conservative talk radio shows, has constantly exposed him to unbalanced ideas which eventually gained control of him.
I am certain to say that he is one of many, who will terrorize this nation until the something can be done to restrain the news media from abusing first amendment rights with broadcast capacity in a medium without listener interaction who can oppose or contradict an anti-social or extremist viewpoint.
In the era of deregulated broadcasting, we have seen the nation of TV and Radio listeners polarized with divisive media. Such conditions didn't always exist. The younger generation is getting a pile of trash handed to them where sensible broadcast media policy is needed.
Wow, I'm surprised that the shooters Psychologist who has the education and training to identify whether a person is sane or not has the time to post on CBS.com /sarcasm
To give in to mob mentality and ignore facts is intellectual dishonesty ideological grandstanding
Your thought process worries me. What is the difference between crazy and insane? A person of sound mind can be exposed to numerous points, but you seem to be rather passionately aggressive to any "conservative" points of view. You spout "abusing the first amendment rights," but in the next breath you are advocating"regulation." Are suggesting that anyone that have opinions that differ from yours should be silenced? Is that freedom; is that a normal though process? TV nor radio cannot "gain control" over a person that is of sound mind! Mental programing/deprograming is possible, but not with TV and radio. Anyone born after 1970 and received a "public education" has had 12 years of liberal programing. Oh, and yes medical background, just retired after 30 years of medicine and I have a PhD. Thirty years, I do question myself at times. Why people, why did I not become a Vet?
What is sad to me is how quick the Left-Wing media is bring accusation to Sarah Palin, the Tea Party, and anything Republican.
On the killer, the fact that disturbs me is his ideas about our currency. When a person presents a Budget of $3.6 Trillion, when there is only $2.4 Trillion in Revenue for years, the Deficit increases from $450 Billion in 2009 to $1,400 Billion in 2010, and Congress PASSES the Budget, there is something to that point of the killer's thinking.
A. If you don't believe in the Death Penalty, then you are for the murderer getting life in prison paid for at the taxpayer's expense.
B. If you believe in the Death Penalty, then you need to realize that it costs more to execute than life in prison from Court appeals for a muderer, plus the 15 years of the appeals before the rightful, and thankfully the Penalty finally takes place.
C. If he is menally disturbed from eating twinkies, he get 8 years in prison, and then if Justice comes the murderer quickly commits suicide.
---------this must be why he could only afford to live with his parents! it is unfortunate they did not notice what a psychotic young man their son was, or they ignored his behavior hoping he would grow out of it....