I don't think it is about politics but do believe it is because NO ONE knows what all is in it. Things done in secret usually come back to bite ones self
Why do people like pygsty, keep saying that things are done in secret? Where on earth do you get that notion? Do you expect Congress to invite you to the room when writing the Bill? I would think that those who had business being there were there or invited. In my opinion, nothing was done in secret. Usually, Bills are written by a selected number of the members and revealed thereafter. That is exactly what was done in this case. You can only claim that things are done in secret because republicans have been spouting that as their mantra.
The truth,bradkt1, is that it may be politics to the Republicans but policy to Democrates. They ran on the promise to do this and they have done it. Seriously, it would have been a disaster for them if they had gone back on their words!
I absolutely support this health care reform bill and I applaud Stupak for his courage to support the bill while protecting the unborn child. Obama did the right thing.... and although the Republicans cry foul, I would like to remind them that Since 1980, 17 of 23 reconciliation bills have been signed into law by Republican presidents. Since 1980, reconciliation has been used nine times when Republicans controlled both the House and the Senate, six times when Democrats controlled both the House and the Senate, one time when the Democrats controlled the Senate and the Republicans the House, and seven times when the Republicans controlled the Senate and the Democrats controlled the House. The only different aspect from this and Bush's usage is that Obama posed a genuine effort to get bipartisan support.
We have an extremely corrupt system of corporate bribery here in the US, we call it Democracy. Of all the ridiculous, twisted things to call a country essentially run by the Mob.
This bill is only slight INSURANCE reform because the rich, greedy big corporations have been raping and pillaging us on health care for 50 years.
This is actually a corporate bill. It certainly is NOT health care reform which is what we really need. We need full blow government run health care (Medicare for All).
The fact of the matter is it was put together loosely, plan and simple. You cannot write laws into place and leave this much wiggle room. When you do it leaves an opening for the government whether they be Dem or Rep (in the future) to take advantage of the peoples freedoms. This is not the way it is done properly. I am neither liberal nor conservative and logic says this smells like trouble. Too many smoke and mirrors.
Remember the hysteria. Remember the dire predictions. Nothing short of a Totalitarian Socialist Dictatorship!!! 80-85% of Americans will see no difference between now and election day. Destruction of America and Freedom!!! Weeks, months will go by and America will still be here, free as ever ...except that more will have health insurance and fewer will have it taken away by insurance companies after they've paid for years and then gotten sick.
Those whackjobs who only listen to Glen "Social Justice Christians are really Commies" Beck will be digging Fox holes anticipating the overthrow of America by radical Socialist Muslims from Hawaii with degrees from Harvard Law and secret political training from the Institute of Chicago Machine Politics while the rest of America continues the recovery from 8 years of disastrous non-governing by the Republicans.
Life goes on. Republicans become more and more annoying and irrelevant.
Question: Why can't the Republican Party at least be the "Party of No, but Here is an Alternative Solution"?
Answer: Because any health care reform would lessen the stranglehold that insurance companies have on consumers. And we all know that Republicans are in their back pocket.
One -- our country is governed by elections, not opinion polls. I don't recall the Constitution giving Gallup or Rasmussen any shout out, do you?
But, if you want to accept the premise that any ONE poll can gauge the "temperature" of the American people -- the electorate specifically -- at any given time, please take a moment to consider the entirety of this polls findings. With an objective eye, you will have a better understanding of where the American public truly stands on this issue.
48% Disapprove passage of HCR (= THIS Health Care Reform) 37% Approve 15% Don't Know
When you look into the numbers more carefully, you see that the disapproval number includes those on the far left of the political spectrum that don't think this goes far enough (aka: public option or single payer, etc.). If the Republicans running for office think these people will vote for them based on their opinions on HCR, they are very wrong.
Then we have the 15% that don't know. This is the segment that is currently in play -- and the advantage is for approval. Why? Because there is a concrete piece of legislation that can be used to give them answers based on facts, rather than political posturing with the attendant dire predictions and misleading suppositions.
When you read what is said on many comment boards, it is so clear that the greatest percentage of those opposed to the legislation using the right wing ideology do not know what is in the new law. They still think it is like the Canadian or British system. It is not. They use terms like "government takeover" and "socialism", not to mention revolution, civil war, secession, and the horrific personal attacks against those that are different from them. This will not play well with that segment of voters that are not politically active. (I have seen this in my own family... not caring so much about HCR, but being sincerely ticked off at the use of personal attacks by loud, obnoxious protesters -- as seen on TV!)
Yep, I declare -- you can put the majority of that 15% who don't have an opinion now, into the approve column by November (say 12%). Add the (approx) 5% from the 48% that disapprove for left wing reasons and you have a 54% approval rating -- just about the same number among the coalition of voters who actually voted... that gave the Obama his job.
And of course, since all politics is local -- I wouldn't be counting on any more than locally significant changes in (D)'s to (R)'s or vice versa. I predict Republicans will gain seats, but not majorities in both Houses. The Senate would be the more likely, but if this was to occur, it would not be a super-majority of 60. Wishful thinking doesn't change the make-up of our electorate in each individual district and state. Period.
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Note: The idea of repeal is nothing but a tactic to separate your money from your wallet. It is all about your donation to the cause. The cause itself is virtually impossible. Even if by some fantastical possibility, ONLY 37% of the population supported the Democrats across the country, that is enough to guard against a veto proof Republican majority. And 2012 is politically ... a long time away. You doubt this? Look at the state of the Republican party on 1-20-09 and the way they have gathered support. Do you really think that COULDN'T evaporate?... or that Democrats couldn't do the same? Get real, please.
Really, I am trying to help you save your hard earned money for things that are possible. Take care.
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This is actually a corporate bill. It certainly is NOT health care reform which is what we really need. We need full blow government run health care (Medicare for All).
Weeks, months will go by and America will still be here, free as ever ...except that more will have health insurance and fewer will have it taken away by insurance companies after they've paid for years and then gotten sick.
Those whackjobs who only listen to Glen "Social Justice Christians are really Commies" Beck will be digging Fox holes anticipating the overthrow of America by radical Socialist Muslims from Hawaii with degrees from Harvard Law and secret political training from the Institute of Chicago Machine Politics while the rest of America continues the recovery from 8 years of disastrous non-governing by the Republicans.
Life goes on. Republicans become more and more annoying and irrelevant.
Answer: Because any health care reform would lessen the stranglehold that insurance companies have on consumers. And we all know that Republicans are in their back pocket.
But, if you want to accept the premise that any ONE poll can gauge the "temperature" of the American people -- the electorate specifically -- at any given time, please take a moment to consider the entirety of this polls findings. With an objective eye, you will have a better understanding of where the American public truly stands on this issue.
48% Disapprove passage of HCR (= THIS Health Care Reform)
37% Approve
15% Don't Know
When you look into the numbers more carefully, you see that the disapproval number includes those on the far left of the political spectrum that don't think this goes far enough (aka: public option or single payer, etc.).
If the Republicans running for office think these people will vote for them based on their opinions on HCR, they are very wrong.
Then we have the 15% that don't know. This is the segment that is currently in play -- and the advantage is for approval. Why? Because there is a concrete piece of legislation that can be used to give them answers based on facts, rather than political posturing with the attendant dire predictions and misleading suppositions.
When you read what is said on many comment boards, it is so clear that the greatest percentage of those opposed to the legislation using the right wing ideology do not know what is in the new law. They still think it is like the Canadian or British system. It is not. They use terms like "government takeover" and "socialism", not to mention revolution, civil war, secession, and the horrific personal attacks against those that are different from them. This will not play well with that segment of voters that are not politically active. (I have seen this in my own family... not caring so much about HCR, but being sincerely ticked off at the use of personal attacks by loud, obnoxious protesters -- as seen on TV!)
Yep, I declare -- you can put the majority of that 15% who don't have an opinion now, into the approve column by November (say 12%). Add the (approx) 5% from the 48% that disapprove for left wing reasons and you have a 54% approval rating -- just about the same number among the coalition of voters who actually voted... that gave the Obama his job.
And of course, since all politics is local -- I wouldn't be counting on any more than locally significant changes in (D)'s to (R)'s or vice versa. I predict Republicans will gain seats, but not majorities in both Houses. The Senate would be the more likely, but if this was to occur, it would not be a super-majority of 60.
Wishful thinking doesn't change the make-up of our electorate in each individual district and state. Period.
_______________
Note: The idea of repeal is nothing but a tactic to separate your money from your wallet. It is all about your donation to the cause. The cause itself is virtually impossible.
Even if by some fantastical possibility, ONLY 37% of the population supported the Democrats across the country, that is enough to guard against a veto proof Republican majority. And 2012 is politically ... a long time away. You doubt this? Look at the state of the Republican party on 1-20-09 and the way they have gathered support. Do you really think that COULDN'T evaporate?... or that Democrats couldn't do the same? Get real, please.
Really, I am trying to help you save your hard earned money for things that are possible. Take care.