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midvale3 says:
It's a start, keep working towards Universal and **** on the teabaggers. The US is a joke considering it's the only major industrialized country not having health care for it's citizens.
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rocketjl replies:
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I really think you need to move to one of those places that has a medical system more to your liking. This 'law' and all of those places you talk about have death panels and I don't need that. Obama just threw out long term care. Ain't that great, Obama gets rid of what might make him look bad.
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slatep says:
ARE YOU KIDDING ME.??

NOBODY, not even Obams knows everything that"s in it.

We had idiots like Nancy Pelosi telling Democrats to "fall on their swords" to get this travesty passed.

God only knows what the Republicans were promised behind closed doors to get them fall on.

As for the Super Committee, they have already announced they are not going to budge on most issues; so why bother at all. The Super Committee should e renamed the STALLING Committrr, because that' all it really is.




Turns out, they hoisted themselves on their own petards
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rocketjl replies:
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Remember, it is only after they successfully bribed enough people to pass this law, that they figured they would start writing what is in it. Look at the history and haw it changes each day. Obama knows he will most likely be out of office when the other shoe drops. Check out the news policy for organ transplants. If you are old, you get bypassed.
realist2010 replies:
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Are you two getting tired of making up stories yet?
TheRealEvilGenius replies:
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The Republicans have never seen the bill and didn't have an opportunity to review and pass it themselves...
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timchi1956 says:
Here is Obama Care in a nut shell, if your in this country legally and you get sick you are expendable and will likely die depending on your ability to make money or spend it like a drunken sailor, the more you earn or spend the more value you have. Your right to life will be subject to a vote by a committee. On the other hand if you are here illegally and get sick, no committee vote will be necessary and no expense will be spared in saving your life. It's only fair according to Obama, and pass the darn thing we can read it later; Pelosi and Reid.
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ge556 replies:
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timchi1956 has no integrity, and considers any lie and slander fair game.
travellor1138 replies:
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And, what intellectual source did you access to get this nugget from?
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RobAla says:
This law is the worst piece of crap legislation to come out of Washington in my lifetime. Sure, it does a few things like force coverage of pre-existing conditions and provides a little coverage for the working poor.

However, if this law was so good - why did all the political legislators who passed this crap law exempt themselves from it? They still have their cushy government coverage, not this crap.

Here we go: This article uses the original figures from the CBO, not the revised ones that show that it cost $105 billion in new federal spending each year.

1) Democrats cut $400 billion from Medicare, in an attempt to pay for it.

2) Still, it costs taxpayers $105 billion each year in new additional federal spending and it is part of why there is such massive deficit spending.

3) Instead of bringing down the rising costs of health care for all Americans, it results in health care premiums rising even more in cost for the majority of Americans. You can't get something for nothing. If you cover pre-existing conditions, cover high risk people, and expand federal departments to handle the huge administrative work this causes - it costs a lot of money. It results in the premiums going up for everyone. Americans who practice healthy lifestyles will have to pay for those who do not. (How fair is this?)

4) This idiotic law imposes huge expenses and additional regulations on business in 2014. This has forces profitable businesses to put that money aside to pay for this nonsense, rather than hire workers with it.

5) It results in businesses electing to have employees work overtime, rather than hire additional employees. The law imposes huge expense for each worker, so it is financially easier for businesses to just have people work more hours than to hire another worker.

6) It imposes $billions of unfunded mandates on states to increase Medicaid coverage (at a time when states can hardly make it financially - that is why 27 states are suing the federal government over it).

7) The law is filled with fees on medical devices, including pacemakers. It drives up the costs of medicine in the United States.

8) It imposes new taxes (which the law says are not to be called "taxes"). I haven't read the entire law, but I read enough of it to make me want to puke.

9) For the first time, the federal government requires ALL American citizens to purchase a service (health care) or be fined. (Can you feel the love?) The mandate that forces Americans to purchase a service (health care) or be fined or put in jail - will be ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. This supposed to be a free democratic republic, not a socialist oppressive nation.

10) Americans were promised open discussions, aired on CSPAN, prior to its passage. Instead, deals were cut behind closed doors and it was totally a partisan effort by Democrats. Republicans were totally shut out of the formation of this law, and therefore half the American population was shut out. Then, and now, the majority of Americans are against this horrible law.

If you don't believe me regarding the wording in the law that states that certain taxes are not to be called taxes, below is a portion of Section 304 of the Affordable Health Care Act (HR 3962):

''(6) NOT TREATED AS TAX IMPOSED BY THIS
CHAPTER FOR CERTAIN PURPOSES.—The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax imposed by this chapter for purposes of determining the amount of any credit under this chapter or for purposes of section 55."
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ge556 replies:
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"However, if this law was so good - why did all the political legislators who passed this crap law exempt themselves from it?"
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They didn't, unless you figure they exempted everyone who gets health insurance through their employer. They are treated just like me, a private sector employee. We all get to keep our current coverage.

Most of what you write is slanted or outright false. Try a bit more objectivity.
1American replies:
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What objectivity ge556, you don't have a job let alone an employer.
RobAla replies:
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ge556: The law is designed to drive private insurance out of business, in order to promote a stupid single payer government run system. Be specific: What is outright false in what I said? Face it, the majority of Americans did not want this law - and a majority still do not want it. We need the government to help reduce the cost of health care, and this stupid law makes private coverage more expensive. It raises the cast of health care by adding taxes and fees on medical devices. It is meant to empower the federal government, and lessen the use of private health coverage. It is rotten to the core.
realist2010 replies:
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Rob, you've been suckered by right wing propaganda. Do some investigating on your own and stop listening to other people. That's just plain lazy.
RobAla replies:
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realist2010: Actually, I downloaded the stupid law and I have been reading it. Have you?
Zungi replies:
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realist2010 - if the law is so great then why have over 2,000 exemptions already been given out by the Obama Administration and why are 200 of those in Nancy Pelosi's district? It's obvious YOU are the one pushing an agenda. And it's also painfully obvious you don't own a small business because if YOU did YOU'D know that they also buried a 1099 requirement deep inside of Obamacare that would have been a administrative nightmare for small businesses.
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rowleya says:
REPEAL IT NOW
STOP THE LEECHES
OBAMACARE IS PHLEBOTOMY
THE VAMPIRES ARE ALL IN DC
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timchi1956 replies:
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Well stated
realist2010 replies:
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Comatose TEA people.
travellor1138 replies:
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Wow! Get paranoid much?
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tinner110 says:
Antone who thinks you are going to insure 32 million more americans and save money is a idiot.
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timchi1956 replies:
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Can you tell me how you really feel, true statement by the way.
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slatep says:
The basic problem with the health care program is:

NOBODY IN CONGRESS HAS READ THE ENTIRE BILL AND DON'T KNOW 1/10 OF WHAT'S IN IT.

The entire Congress should be gathered together and have the entire bill read to them.

No handheld games or computers allowed to play with while they are being driven to distraction by the 2,000 + pages contained within it.
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tsprague52 replies:
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It is, quite simply, not true that nobody in Congress read the bills before they were passed. Not true at all.
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sylvdlcr says:
I see it says no medicaid for illegals...but that has always been the policy but I still see illegals coming here everyday pregnant and getting medicaid to pay for medical during their pregnancy. So what about that? Are they gonna put a stop to that???? Thats what really bothers me...that our taxes are going to pay for illegals medical bills.
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ge556 replies:
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That's not medicaid. That's charity from the hospital.
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FreedomFromCrooks says:
Individual Mandate:
In 2014, everyone must purchase health insurance or face a $695 annual fine. There are some exceptions for low-income people.

Are we not a little tire of the government of a free people mandating what we have to do and then using a stick to inforce it. This is a easy one people, its about freedom. They write 10,000s of rules and laws on the people, but the problem is that we need 10,000s of rules on our governments behaviors, our government is way out of control. Hey I got a idea, well create an american citizen fund and bribe with contributions to the partys and campaingns to get the government to represent the people, seems to work for the other powers that need the government to do something for them ?
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ReeRa says:
Removing illegal immigrants would probably cover Social Security and Medicare shortage. Also we must demand that our legislaturers be required to carry the exact same insurance (no special offers any more) and only a two term limit.

How many legislaturers own health insurance companies?? Looking at our legislaturers we should vote 2012 and vote no more automatic raises for them either.
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tsprague52 replies:
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Illegal's are not eligible for Social Security, whatsoever.
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