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[guysdigdirt]

The word marraige is so important because we live in the land of the free, and it is fought for because its also the home of the brave. (wow good line ::pats self on back::)
Posted by TipsyinCT

Another proud moron wanting to force their opinion on others, take what they want and *** those who thing otherwise.

[guysdigdirt]

As for children, they should be taught that love is good and hate is bad. Gender should not be a part of that equation.
Posted by Caeric

There you go, this is why we need to keep marriage as it is. Gender should absolutely be a part of it. Or to follow your reasoning it could be a man and a goat, or two men, a car, a lady and a dog.

You will respond with something along the lines of "be serious" or some other such comment. But once the defenition of marriage is changed it is open to be changed anytime someone wants it changed. Then it will mean nothing.

You also want to tell me how to teach my children, so it meets your desires. Do not force it down my throat, or my children''s throats. Marriage is a man and a woman and if you want to have unions with same-sexx couples use your own union, but not marriage.

[guysdigdirt]

The word ''''marriage'''' is not needed to prove normalcy (we''''ve already established normalcy in the last post), but as a measure of equality.

Posted by Caeric

You still have not told me why same-sexx couple need to be married to be equal. Tell me exactly how that works. Why do you shy away from answering the question?

[guysdigdirt]

Nobody, no religion, owns the word marriage.
Posted by Caeric

Correct, so why do the same-sexx couples want to make it mean something different than it always has? They do not own it so why do they want to change it? It has always been one man and one woman. Why do they want to change that?

[guysdigdirt]

If you can''''t understand how homosexuality is a naturally occurring phenomena from that you''''ll have to come to that enlightenment later.
Posted by Caeric

I think you have not been paying attention to what I am saying. I never said homosexxual beings do not naturally occure in nature. They do. But they cannot reproduce. Down syndrome and other forms of defects occure in nature (no I am not saying homosexxuality is a defect, you went there under and assumption), but that does not make down syndrome normal.

Homosexxuals are not normal, they are out of the norm. But I am sure you will tell me differently.

[charlieot]

...Let''''s get together a large number of homosexxuals and put them on an island with all the creature comforts they desire. Then lets see how many generations that community will last. I would guess there will not be a second generation. If they can reproduce in their unions, then I would accept your arguement that they are normal. But we both know they cannot.

If ggays must be married to be normal, then they are admitting they are not normal, but seek to have what straight people have in their pursuit of seeming normal.

I do care what they do in their lives, but do not shove it down my throat. If they do succeed in continuing to be married in the state of California then their marriages must be taught to young children as being as normal as a real marriage. This is shoving it down my children''''s throats. there is no arguement you can make against that.

Posted by guysdigdirt at 12:20 PM : Oct 01, 2008

gdd...Your "experiement" fails to include the possibility (likelihood?) that members of the community will cross gender boundaries for procreation as a necessity. Or are you assuming that you will only populate the island with only one gender? Being g*a*y does not make people stupid; obviously there would be a vested interest in continuing the species.

Teaching that their marriages are *not* real marriage is shoving your view down the throats of *my* children. Do you have any more right to do that than I do to force another viewpoint?

[tipsyinct]

Why is the word marriage so important?
Posted by guysdigdirt at 12:26 PM : Oct 01, 2008

Because *** you that''s why. If the word is not important then why do you care? and as for your kids they WILL be growing up in a society where there are gay people.....and straight people and white people and black people and asian people and Hispanic people and dare I say it? CANADIANS!!! It IS the norm to be so diverse in our race, our thinking, our likes, dislikes and who we love. Thats what normal is, NOT a straight white male, a straight white female, and 2.5 straight white kids. If you don''t think your kids should grow up with that kind of normalcy, lock them in your basement. The word marraige is so important because we live in the land of the free, and it is fought for because its also the home of the brave. (wow good line ::pats self on back::)

[caeric]

As for marriage:

It matters because of a number of things:

Nobody, no religion, owns the word marriage. There is no logical reason for it not to be used.

The word ''marriage'' is not needed to prove normalcy (we''ve already established normalcy in the last post), but as a measure of equality.

If you have never experienced inequality (i.e. if you are a white heterosexual christian man), you will have a hard time understanding why it is important.

We have long ago established in this nation that ''separate but equal'' is NOT equal (see Jim Crow laws). Have we not learned from our past?

As for children, they should be taught that love is good and hate is bad. Gender should not be a part of that equation.

[caeric]

Guysdigdirt:

Your ''island experiment'' does not take into account the fact that there have always been homosexuals, no matter what each society thinks of them or names them or how they even see them (for example, some past societies have seen them as a third gender). There always will be homosexuals. They are a natural occurrence in any population, in approximately the same proportion of the population as left-handed people. No matter what happens on that island, the world population will continue to produce homosexuals.

Why? Genetics, biology... even, it is sometimes thought, as natures way of attempting to control an exploding population. *All* *completely* *natural*.

You have been taught that it is wrong, by this society. There have been many other societies that have said little one way or the other, or have outright accepted it and felt that homosexuals (of course, that word was not used) were special and to be cherished. The nature has not changed, only the societal view.

I can''t be any more clear than that with the limitations of this board. If you can''t understand how homosexuality is a naturally occurring phenomena from that you''ll have to come to that enlightenment later.

I''ll address marriage in the next post.

[guysdigdirt]

Answer for me a question I asked earlier.

What equality will being married give the same-ssex couples? Every right a married couple has is alloed and bestowed by a domestic partnership, every single right! Why is the word marriage so important?

You might ask me why it is so important to me. I have answere some of those reasons already in my previous posts. If you do not get an idea from there then tell me what the problem is and I will do my best to help you.

[guysdigdirt]

My mistake, previously I had written I cared what they do in their lives, I do not.


I do NOT care what they do in their lives, but do not shove it down my throat. If they do succeed in continuing to be married in the state of California then their marriages must be taught to young children as being as normal as a real marriage. This is shoving it down my children''''s throats. there is no arguement you can make against that.

[guysdigdirt]

G a y s ARE normal, in that homosexual behavior is found throughout nature, nations and history. Normal is behaving as one is meant (genetically, biologically, emotionally) to behave. *Abnormal* is going against just those things, which is what many in this nation would have g a y s do. Just because *you* don''''t believe it is normal does not make it any less so.
Posted by Caeric

And just because you feel being homossexual is normal, does not make it so. Let''s conduct an experiment, well we will not have to actually do it as we both know what the outcome will be. Here goes.

Let''s get together a large number of homosexxuals and put them on an island with all the creature comforts they desire. Then lets see how many generations that community will last. I would guess there will not be a second generation. If they can reproduce in their unions, then I would accept your arguement that they are normal. But we both know they cannot.

If ggays must be married to be normal, then they are admitting they are not normal, but seek to have what straight people have in their pursuit of seeming normal.

I do care what they do in their lives, but do not shove it down my throat. If they do succeed in continuing to be married in the state of California then their marriages must be taught to young children as being as normal as a real marriage. This is shoving it down my children''s throats. there is no arguement you can make against that.

[eggy1620]

CNET needs to hire a more literate staff. That title is a triple negative! Without reading the article, can one tell if Google is for same gender marriage, or against it?

[fetuskarate]

most excellent. Further proof that google is f*cking amazing.

[caeric]

And so we come full circle, to another example of those who have some strange aversion to rational thought.

[caeric]

Marriage equality is one more type of equality.

Using the dictionary definition proves nothing. Words and meanings of words change through time, and dictionaries add and update words and meanings of words yearly.

Besides, the meaning itself won''t change, just the belief that some people have that they and their particular religion own the word itself.

In the end, whether you like it or not, we will call it what it is: Marriage

G a y s ARE normal, in that homosexual behavior is found throughout nature, nations and history. Normal is behaving as one is meant (genetically, biologically, emotionally) to behave. *Abnormal* is going against just those things, which is what many in this nation would have g a y s do. Just because *you* don''t believe it is normal does not make it any less so.

Really, we should not even be having these discussions because in this nation, every single person should be treated equally under the law. How many decades and centuries of prejudice do we have to endure, even with a Constitution that supposedly speaks against such things?

[guysdigdirt]

Christianity is not the only religion in the US, so any union ceremony blessed by any religion can rightly be called ''''marriage''''.
Posted by Caeric

If you look in the dictionary you will find the word marriage means a man and a lady. Not any union of two people.

mar7riage /%u02C8mfr%u026Ad%u0292/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[mar-ij] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
%u2013noun 1. the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc.

Why do you and the other pro-gayy- marriage people want to change the definintion of a word to suit your purposes? Why not come up with your own word? Will that make the ggay couple feel straight?

[guysdigdirt]

By the way, other than the problems caused by living in a society that condemns and hates, *** are happy and VERY normal. Marriage is just a step towards equality.
Posted by Caeric

How is marriage a step towards equality? Will that be one more step towards make ggays normal? The fact is they are not the norm.

[caeric]

Every single ''marriage'' in this nation consists of the religious portion and the civil portion. Unfortunately, the two have become rolled into one.

''Marriage'' has a connotation of ''religion'' and is a word over which Christians mistakenly believe they have sole ownership. Christianity is not the only religion in the US, so any union ceremony blessed by any religion can rightly be called ''marriage''.

The ''civil'' portion is recognized by government and would be the same regardless, so any lawsuits would be brought through this avenue. Typically, lawsuits like those you mentioned would only move forward if the religious organization in question receives funding from a public/governmental source.

By the way, other than the problems caused by living in a society that condemns and hates, *** are happy and VERY normal. Marriage is just a step towards equality.

[guysdigdirt]

I still don''''t understand the anti-gay marriage position. I would like to say to those people: Even though you don''''t socialize your kids to be gay, a certain percentage will be born with the inclination anyway. Does your version of god really give you the right to persecute them and ruin their lives?
Posted by gloriamundi

Gloria, wake up call. It is not about telling people they cannot be ggay. It is about keeping the meaning of a word what it is and always has been. A union between one man and one woman.

Why do the sam-ssex couples want to be married? Why can''t they be happy being different? There is no way in the world being married will make them normal.

Let''s talk about why marriage should stay one man and one woman.
-If it is changed there will be other frivilous lawsuits for religious leaders not marrying a same-sexx couple.
-Religious doctors will be sued for not inseminating women who do not have the inclination to get the sperm from a man.
-Religious adoption agencies will be forced to close or have to go against their own beliefs.

The list could go on and on.

Why not come up with your own union, call it what you like or just go with the "domestic partnership" that already gives every right "marriage" does to the couple.