Comments on: Arctic Sea Ice Shrinkage Grows

Permanent "Sea Ice" Shown To Have Shrunk By Half In Latest NASA Images

[cevn]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/03/ap/world/main4411300.shtml?source=search_story more melting! How much ice has to melt? tiddsanbeer...this doesn''t scare you? Government beuracracy is worse? Please! If not the government, them who? Will corporations do something? Look what a few changes in banking regulation are doing! Reagan''s neoconservatism is dead, I hope we don''t go down with it!

[cevn]

Your right about the methane hydrates. Does anyone know how much the temp must rise for the clathrates to melt? Also, how long does it take for the temperature at these depths to change in proportion to atmospheric increases? I''m done arguing with neocons about scientific topics. Palin thinks the earth is 7000 years old and that scares the BeJebus out of me!

[erasmus81]

"This is known as a WAKE UP CALL, folks!" Posted by smurfcrusher at 12:30 PM : Sep 17, 2008

I''m afraid that there are some that just don''t want to wake up. It''s easier to remain in DENIAL.

[smurfcrusher]

"I worry more about the melting ice on Greenland running into the north Atlantic and shutting down the thermohaline circulation. If that happens there won''''t be a debate about IF humans are responsible for the current warming trend, because we will be fighting for our lives. "
----------------------------------------------------

Posted by cevn

I''m most concerned about methane hydrates both in melting permafrost, as well as in the ocean.

Methane has more powerful warming effects than carbon dioxide, and there are more methane hydrate stores in permafrost and seawater than all of the world''s known petroleum reserves.

This is known as a WAKE UP CALL, folks!

[smurfcrusher]

p.s. And don''t forget the 2,000 trillion cubic feet of dry natural gas burned since 1980.

[cevn]

I worry more about the melting ice on Greenland running into the north Atlantic and shutting down the thermohaline circulation. If that happens there won''t be a debate about IF humans are responsible for the current warming trend, because we will be fighting for our lives.

[smurfcrusher]

tiddsanbeer, your argument is irrelevant.

It''s like saying, there used to be a Great Depression, so go ahead and be financially irresponsible.

Natural cycles never included unnatural influences.

What effect do you think the following would have on the climate?

127.5 BILLION short tons of coal burned since 1980
950 BILLION barrels of oil consumed since 1960

Regardless of whether or not a natural cycle is influencing climate change, this massive, man-made influence is NOT helping !

Or do you disagree?

[rosesnpearls]

shrinkage grows? is that possible?