Comments on: Gore Sets 10-Year Clean Energy Goal

Former VP Challenges Next President To Produce All Electricity Through Earth-Friendly Sources

[robaldrich]

Hi ubrew12:

I googled this yesterday (167,000 responses). On March 9, 1999, Al Gore told Wolf Blitzer on CNN''s ''Late Edition'' that, ''During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the internet.'' http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

He didn''t say he ''invented'' the Internet by himself; however, the Internet was in existence before Al Gore entered office in 1977.

Gore did actively contribute to the advancement of the internet as a Congressman. Without his work, the internet might not be what it is today.

I leave you to draw your own conclusions.

Rob

P.S. ''Liars'' are those who KNOW they are not telling the truth. Minnick8 could believe ''create'' is synonymous with ''invent.'' Minnick8 could believe that people don''t take the ''initiative in creating'' something that already exists. Or he could just be repeating hearsay as fact (most Americans do that).

[louiville2]

1. that nuclear should be increased in the U.S., perhaps by 100%____ Bravo
2. that a nuclear power plant is God''''s Gift to terrorists (can''''t think of a more permanent target), Hmmmm you mean like splatting a piper cub into the side of the reinforced dome and then as it slides down? Europe has more terrorists then we have and they are building MORE NPP HMMM. Maybe what you need is a little backbone HUH.
3. that nuclear has serious unresolved issues with waste that need ALOT more work to resolve. Hmmm And what''s that? A natural occurring reactor waste only moved 10 feet in 2 billion years, which was by chance I''m sure we can match that. (See backbone)
4. that the only reason many companies and the Republican Party promote nuclear is because nuclear fission requires a FUEL (i.e. it comes with a means to monopolize its use and make unseamly profits at the expense of rate-payers - unlike most renewable energy technologies for whom the FUEL is free) Like they don''t have a lock on the resources for wind farms etc... Or do you think those grow on trees or are magically made? And like Gore doesn%u2019t plan to make millions
5. that you should put on some pants (speaking of teleportation)

It%u2019s time to put away your toys and join us grown-ups.

[ubrew12]

minnick8 said: "I think it is noteworthy, because if [Gore] said he invented [the internet], and it was a lie, then what else is he lying about?"

PLEASE POST your information or link in which Gore says he ''invented'' the internet.

Because if you can''t, then YOU are the lier.

I agree with you... that liers ought to be exposed...

[ubrew12]

robaldrich4 said: "There''s a probability that I will molecularly transport to where you are right now. It''s a very, very, very, very small chance. Just like the chance that a nuclear power plant will kill 100,000 people. "

I think:

1. that nuclear should be increased in the U.S., perhaps by 100%
2. that a nuclear power plant is God''s Gift to terrorists (can''t think of a more permanent target)
3. that nuclear has serious unresolved issues with waste that need ALOT more work to resolve
4. that the only reason many companies and the Republican Party promote nuclear is because nuclear fission requires a FUEL (i.e. it comes with a means to monopolize its use and make unseamly profits at the expense of rate-payers - unlike most renewable energy technologies for whom the FUEL is free)
5. that you should put on some pants (speaking of teleportation)

[robaldrich]

diatreme says: The worst case at nuke plant involves the deaths of 100,000''''s.

I can''t think of a kind word to describe what I think about your comment. This scientifically unsupportable fear statement is typical of the uninformed and/or fraudulent.

You see, the problem (for nukes) is that EVERYTHING has a statistical probability. There''s a probability that I will molecularly transport to where you are right now. It''s a very, very, very, very small chance. Just like the chance that a nuclear power plant will kill 100,000 people. Fear mongers know that the nuclear scientists will not deny statistical fact and employ their typical argument, "what if your house is next to the one nuclear power plant that does meltdown?

Well, in the rest of the world, when a probability is less than one in a trillion, most people consider that zero, and certainly don''t fear that ''threat.''

Continued below - I hope

[robaldrich]

Continued

On top of that, last time I looked (20 years ago) the Union of Concerned Scientists [usually in Chemistry - not Nuclear Physics] (a rabid anti-nuke group) numbers, slanted against nuclear power, showed that there would have to be a total nuclear core meltdown every 28 days to equal the number of deaths already cause by the exhaust of coal fired power plants. Since coal plant exhaust are greater now, the nuclear meltdown days should be even less.

While we on the topic, Chernobyl has NOTHING to do with American nuclear power plants, NOTHING. It design (positive void coefficient) is illegal here.

Further, more people die a year in the U.S. from chocking on pens or children drowning in bathtubs (100 each) than from Three Mile Island (0). Three Mile Island is PROOF that nuclear reactors are safe. Human error corrected by nuclear plant design.

Rob

[ffarkel]

diatreme

Ameren had an award winning pumped storage facility at Taum Sauk -- if failed destroying an area called the Johnson Shut Ins. A beautiful state park area.

Your ignorance and arrogance is showing.

[robaldrich]

diatreme says: FYI, pumped storage in California, arguably the most earthquake prone region in the US, has not once experienced any sort of failure.

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Gee, ''the Helms Pumped Storage Power Station (Shaver
Lake, California), was forced to bring a unit out of service THIS WEEK.'' http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS162108+13-Jun-2008 MW20080613

''Pumped storage hydroelectricity is a type of hydroelectric power generation used by some power plants for load balancing. The method stores energy in the form of water, pumped from a lower elevation reservoir to a higher elevation. Low-cost off-peak electric power is used to run the pumps. During periods of high electrical demand, the stored water is released through turbines. Although the losses of the pumping process makes the plant a net consumer of energy overall, the system increases revenue by selling more electricity during periods of peak demand, when electricity prices are highest.'' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumped_storage

Even when these plants are ripping the people off to overcome their design inefficiencies (net energy USER), they still produce less electricity (.33 to .5 MW(e)) than a nuclear power plant produces all the time. Google it, I just did.

Rob

[minnick8-2009]

Man, the negative right wing whiners ARE out in force. Get over your Red/Blue thinking. Why speak of who invented the Internet? The point is we need to be energy independent, isn''''''''t it?

Posted by kdellit

Someone last night, posted the comment that Al Gore invented the Internet. No, he did not. That comment really fluffs my dander and so I said he didn''''t. Then someone else told me that he did have a role, and so I researched it and posted my findings.

If Al Gore said he invented the Internet, he lied. He did write legislation which Congress passed to fund the infrastructure.

I think it is noteworthy, because if he said he invented it, and it was a lie, then what else is he lying about?

[morganbarber]

Ever notice that few people are moderate on the subject of climate change. The Democrats say the world will end soon if we don''t change. The Republicans say everything is just fine.