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by usclimey October 14, 2008 2:06 PM EDT
What''''s Sad is it seems both of you don''''t believe that Iraqis are people - When a Repug throws this BS, it''''s in the knowledge that only Americans casualties are the people they''''re referring to but the casualties of this war are several thousand times more than we''''ve been told - especially American Casualties that fail to record the actual casualties of this debacle. Cheers!

Posted by parrots121

You are, of course correct. As far as I''m aware, there are no official figures for Iraqi losses during this debacle, merely vastly varying estimates. I truly hope that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfelt and Wolfowitz can be tried for war crimes in the Hague. I rather doubt it though. These criminals have shown numerous times that they have no respect for US Law, let alone law from a court the US has never recognized.
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by harbinger09 October 14, 2008 2:05 PM EDT
For all you people that are writing back to me...if you only responded like this guy we would not have to argue. He was straight to the point, knows Obama is not the best candidate but the one that fits his personal views and policies. He did not quote various sources to make his point.

Posted by ABMan827 at 10:56 AM : Oct 14, 2008


Reading comprehension is a beautiful thing. You misread. The poster never said Obama was not the best candidate--he said he was not happy with Obama''s experience. But at no point did he imply or even infer that McCain was a better candidate. We must consider the candidates to be McCain/Palin and Obama/Biden.

Say we need bananas. Neither team are bananas. McCain is a rotten apple and Palin is his worm--so we don''t want them.

Maybe to that poster, Obama is a plantain (which is a type of banana but not sweet) and Biden is an apricot. Maybe he figures he can mix the plantain with the apricot and get a flavor nearer to banana than mixing a rotten apple and a worm.

Know what you are reading--when someone is not happy with their choice--it does not mean that other choices are better--it often means there were no good choices and the best of the choices--still makes them not so happy.

We know this would be a lot for you to assimilate--take your time.
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by abman827 October 14, 2008 2:03 PM EDT
Signing off now... hope that those of you asking about Obama''''s experience were able to read my posts (3 posts talking about some of legislative acts in US Senate and IL Senate). Hope that I''''ve been helpful as you cast your ballot. Cheers.


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Posted by whuddadumbsn at 11:02 AM : Oct 14, 2008

Thank you for actually posting legitimate responses. I have not read them all, but I will read and do my personal research.
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by abman827 October 14, 2008 2:02 PM EDT
You said he can communicate and then you bashed Palil and McCain, not sure how those were good answers.

Posted by ABMan827 at 10:49 AM : Oct 14, 2008


Says the person from the party who is trying to win the Presidency on smears because they have no plans except to win and continue to defile the Constitution and the offices they hold.


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Posted by harbinger09 at 10:57 AM : Oct 14, 2008

Give me a break...like Obama has been so innocent in this campaign. You people can sure dish it out, but you can''t take it.
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by whuddadumbsn October 14, 2008 2:02 PM EDT
Signing off now... hope that those of you asking about Obama''s experience were able to read my posts (3 posts talking about some of legislative acts in US Senate and IL Senate). Hope that I''ve been helpful as you cast your ballot. Cheers.
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by harbinger09 October 14, 2008 2:00 PM EDT
What''''s Sad is it seems both of you don''''t believe that Iraqis are people - When a Repug throws this BS, it''''s in the knowledge that only Americans casualties are the people they''''re referring to but the casualties of this war are several thousand times more than we''''ve been told - especially American Casualties that fail to record the actual casualties of this debacle. Cheers!

Posted by parrots121 at 10:55 AM : Oct 14, 2008


Not several thousands times more--according to almost every source but Bush, the number of Iraqi casualties is over a million, but even on the conservative side, it would be hundreds of thousands not several.
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by abman827 October 14, 2008 1:58 PM EDT
Even if he fails--the set up is already there to still blame this on the Republicans

Posted by harbinger09 at 10:54 AM : Oct 14, 2008

And you are already looking to blame the Republicans...gotta love it.
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by harbinger09 October 14, 2008 1:57 PM EDT
You said he can communicate and then you bashed Palil and McCain, not sure how those were good answers.

Posted by ABMan827 at 10:49 AM : Oct 14, 2008


Says the person from the party who is trying to win the Presidency on smears because they have no plans except to win and continue to defile the Constitution and the offices they hold.
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by suburbanwmd October 14, 2008 1:56 PM EDT
"What''''s Sad is it seems both of you don''''t believe that Iraqis are people - When a Repug throws this BS, it''''s in the knowledge that only Americans casualties are the people they''''re referring to but the casualties of this war are several thousand times more than we''''ve been told - especially American Casualties that fail to record the actual casualties of this debacle. Cheers!"

Obviously I believe Iraqis are people. The stat was about American casualties, so I responded to American casualties.
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by abman827 October 14, 2008 1:56 PM EDT
I''''''''m not happy with Obama''''''''s experience, at all. I supported Richardson in the primaries. However, I don''''''''t just vote for whoever has the most experince, I vote based on policy, and my policies line up with Obamas more then McCains.


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Posted by suburbanWMD at 10:41 AM : Oct 14, 2008

For all you people that are writing back to me...if you only responded like this guy we would not have to argue. He was straight to the point, knows Obama is not the best candidate but the one that fits his personal views and policies. He did not quote various sources to make his point.
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by suburbanwmd October 14, 2008 1:55 PM EDT
"I understood what you meant...hence why I did not respond to the nasty comment. Thank you again for being respectful of other peoples views."

Figured you got it, I just try to stay on the safe side.
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by suburbanwmd October 14, 2008 1:54 PM EDT
"I understood what you meant...hence why I did not respond to the nasty comment. Thank you again for being respectful of other peoples views."

Figured you got it, I just try to stay on the safe side.
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by harbinger09 October 14, 2008 1:54 PM EDT
Just remember your post...because in 8 years the tables will be turned. And nice to call me stupid...you can''''t even answer a simple question without asking a question to me. I would say that is a sign of stupidity as well. But I don''''t want to be accused of calling the kettle black.

Posted by ABMan827 at 10:47 AM : Oct 14, 2008


Wow! I truly hope you are prescient. Not only does your post acknowledge that Obama will be elected--but you appear to believe he will also be re-elected. Maybe you are not as stupid as you seemed after all (or you are and Obama will not get elected--point to ponder)

The difference is--Bush inherited a country with a good reputation and in good financial shape and ruined both--Obama is inheriting a mess of biblical proportions. Even if he fails--the set up is already there to still blame this on the Republicans--many pundits are already saying that no matter who is elected, the mess is too big to get cleaned up--it will take years if not DECADES. And unlike you, I vote for Obama as the lesser of 2 evils (much less than any Republican on the ticket) but I have no illusions--and if he does not perform well and I believe he should have/could have--I have no problem in doing everything in my power to make him a 1 term President. I give no fealty to any man--not even those who you would make King, Emperor or a little god. Not Bush. Not Obama.
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by whuddadumbsn October 14, 2008 1:53 PM EDT
Do you think that Obama has any control over how many people are killed in Chicago? Let''s re-think that recent Supreme Court gun law case... I can only hope that they keep it D.C.-specific. Only after you can get guns out of the hands of teenage gang members will you see that murder rate go down (we just had 2 teenage girls killed by 2 teenage boys with guns on freaking public transit the other day).

- Coming from a Chicagoan, who lives in Chicago.
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by abman827 October 14, 2008 1:53 PM EDT
Also, I didn''''t mean to say that you were being nasty and I was admonishing you, I was just saying that people who disagree can just disagree without getting into a flame war, like you see so often on the internet.


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Posted by suburbanWMD at 10:50 AM : Oct 14, 2008

I understood what you meant...hence why I did not respond to the nasty comment. Thank you again for being respectful of other peoples views.
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by whuddadumbsn October 14, 2008 1:51 PM EDT
And still more...

- Obama introduced the Patriot Employer Act of 2007 to provide a tax credit to companies that maintain or increase the number of full-time workers in America relative to those outside the US; maintain their corporate headquarters in America; pay decent wages; prepare workers for retirement; provide health insurance; and support employees who serve in the military.

- Obama worked to pass a number of laws in Illinois and Washington to improve the health of women. His accomplishments include creating a task force on cervical cancer, providing greater access to breast and cervical cancer screenings, and helping improve prenatal and premature birth services.

- Obama has introduced and helped pass bipartisan legislation to limit the abuse of no-bid federal contracts.

- Obama and Senator Feingold (D-WI) took on both parties and proposed ethics legislation that was described as the "gold standard" for reform. It was because of their leadership that ending subsidized corporate jet travel, mandating disclosure of lobbyists'' bundling of contributions, and enacting strong new restrictions of lobbyist-sponsored trips became part of the final ethics bill that was signed into law.
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by suburbanwmd October 14, 2008 1:51 PM EDT
"4500 killed in 7 years in Iraq - around 650 per year - I''''d say that there''''s a number of cities in this country that would beat that murder rate."

I''m gonna have to call BS. How many American troops are in Iraq compared to how many people live in Chicago? Proportions are important.
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by abman827 October 14, 2008 1:51 PM EDT
Awesome. I don''''t like people thinking that Obama is like, the messiah and that he can do no wrong, but ultimatly, I think that he''''d take us in a better direction then McCain. You disagree. Super. No need to get nasty.


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Posted by suburbanWMD at 10:48 AM : Oct 14, 2008

I agree. I understand people have different views and I respect you for knowing that as well.
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by whuddadumbsn October 14, 2008 1:50 PM EDT
More Accomplishments:

- Obama joined forces with former U.S. Sen. Paul Simon (D-IL) to pass the toughest campaign finance law in Illinois history. The legislation banned the personal use of campaign money by Illinois legislators and banned gifts from lobbyists. Before the law was passed, one organization ranked Illinois worst among 50 states for its campaign finance regulations.

- As a member of the Veterans'' Affairs Committee, Senator Obama has fought to help Illinois veterans get the disability pay they were promised, while working to prepare the VA for the return of the thousands of veterans who will need care after Iraq and Afghanistan.

- He traveled to Russia with Republican *** Lugar to begin a new generation of non-proliferation efforts designed to find and secure deadly weapons around the world.

- In the U.S. Senate, Obama introduced the STOP FRAUD Act to increase penalties for mortgage fraud and provide more protections for low-income homebuyers, well before the current subprime crisis began.

- Obama sponsored legislation to combat predatory payday loans, and he also was credited with lobbied the state to more closely regulate some of the most egregious predatory lending practices.
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by suburbanwmd October 14, 2008 1:50 PM EDT
Also, I didn''t mean to say that you were being nasty and I was admonishing you, I was just saying that people who disagree can just disagree without getting into a flame war, like you see so often on the internet.
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