Comments on: Countering Clinton, Obama Says He's Committed to Ending War

[kat1park]

Zavatchen, your quote is wrong. Do not believe everything you hear or read in the media. That is not what she said. What she said was that he would examine the situation after he became president to determine if his 16 month time table is a realistic one. Given the fact that Hillary claims she will begin bringing troops home in 60 days, which one do you think is more realistic about the war in Iraq?

[kat1park]

sjbj2322, how much homework have you done on the Clintons? Did you know Rezko actually donated to Bill Clinton''s campaigns in the 90''s. Did you know that several people who were close to the Clintons have been killed or committed suicide? These were people who had firsthand accounts of their "deeds" when Clinton was Govenor of Arkansas and President of the U.S. Did you know that Clinton settled with Paula out of court for 850,000 in her sexual harrassment suit? These are the facts. I do not dislike the Clintons. I just don''t think people know as much about them as they think they do.

[kat1park]

obamamabo, I couldn''t agree with you more. I will vote for Ralph Nader, not John McCain, but Ralph Nader, before I will vote for Hillary. She has gone negative and I don''t like it. That''s not what Obama is about and it''s not what I''m about. When this campaign first started, I was trying to decide between the two of them, but not anymore. She is completely off the table for me. Period.

[zavatchen]

I just read that Samantha Power (who made the hateful statement about Hillary) also told the Scottish press that what O''Bama was telling the American people about his plan of getting out of Iraq was not what he believed he could do.

[kat1park]

Dari, you might want to do a little research about how many state senators keep records of their tenure in the state senate. Most likely Hillary has records because she was the first lady.
By the way, the inuendo about Rezko is getting old. If you have factual information, please share it with us. Otherwise, you are playing the game that the Clintons want you to play with regard to the Rezko trial. In the meantime, if you''re concerned about Obama and Rezko, then you should also be concerned about Hillary and Norman Hsu or the Clintons and Vince Foster. Their list is a lot longer than his. Before you start pointing out Obama''s issues with Rezko, go down the long list of issues that the Clintons have. And by the way, if you know why so many people associated with their adminstrations in Arkansas and in the White House are now dead, you can share that with us also.

[kat1park]

That''s a valid point that you make about Obama. I would only counter with this: Is Hillary Clinton using sound judgement when she claims that she will begin withdrawing troups in 60 days? Even though she has no intelligence information or reports from the people on the ground. At least Obama is responsible enough to say it will most likely be 2009. But we''re all intelligent here. As he has said many times before, he wants to be as responsible getting out as the Bush administration was careless going in. If you''re voting for clinton because you think she can be trusted to stick to her word and do exactly what she sayd while campaiging, good luck with that. You will eat these words if she becomes president and decides to take a more prudent approach, as any president should. After all, there are lives at stake. So they both need to examine the situation carefully before making rush decisions. If it were my son over there, that''s exactly what I would want them to do.

[sjbj2322]

HILLARY DOESN''T SHOW RESPECT. WHAT!!

REMINDER: Quotes from Barack Obama''s book, Dreams Of My Father:
"I found A SOLACE in nursing A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER''S RACE".
"The emotion between the races could never be pure..... the other race would always remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart."
"I ceased to advertise my mother''s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites"
"never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn''t speak to my own. It was into my father''s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I''d packed all the attributes I sought in myself..".
"That hate hadn''t gone away," he wrote, blaming "white people %u2014 some cruel, some ignorant, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives."
"There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs," he wrote. "It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names"
"I had grown accustomed, everywhere, to suspicions between the races."

NOW - WHO ISN''T ABOVE USING OTHERS TO GET WHAT THEY WANT.

[speakthetrut]

Pledging to run a clean campaign and doing so must be a sin in this country. Just because Clintons are corrupt and only know how to play dirty, doesn''t mean that eveyone else in this country must engage in corruption. REMEMBER, GOOD WILL ALWAYS WIN AT THE END. Myself, and many of my friends support Obama because he is running a clean campaign. We believe in the truth, and treating others with respect. You see, one must show respect to get respect. Hillary doesn''t respect others. She uses others. In the end, she will not get respect, and will get used. Barack Obama shows respect, and for that reson he is receiving respect. There will always be bad people in this world, and they will trod on the good people. No matter what happens, through the unselfish work, through the dedication to the public, good people like Barack Obama will continue to inspire the younger generation that is here now and yet to come.

[sjbj2322]

As for Maria Gavrilovic, I notice that you conveniently leave out the fact that Samantha Powers was just a tad bit more than your average advisor....she was Obama''s Foreign Affairs Advisor. As such I would suspect that she was quite privy to his ideas, opinions, and plans for intervention in Iraq. Moreover, in truth - what she stated was far more logical and prudent than the pat response that Obama gave that he would without question end the war in 2009. That only makes him sound rash and incapable of using sound judgment should events on the ground warrant reconsideration. But logic and sound judgment isn''t what he''s relying on to get elected now is it.

[sjbj2322]

Dari - are you also suggesting that Obama present the public with his appointment books for those years in question. Only one problem. Remember he says that he didn''t keep records during his tenure in the Illinois Senate. Hmmm - do you really buy that one? Let''s see - those would be the years that he was up to his ears in his involvement with Rezko. Yep - I think I''d do my best to lose those records too.

[sjbj2322]

AGAIN - DO YOUR HOMEWORK! Hillary was removed as a co-defendent in the Paul trial in California. Spin the truth - not lies.

[sjbj2322]

LIES! In October 2002, Hillary Clinton voted to authorize the threat of force if Sadam didn''t allow the inspectors back in to Iraq. Yes, the authorization did give Bush the power to declare war but it was based on his promise that war would be a last resort that he garnered Senator Clinton''s support. HE LIED! Secondly, Obama himself has waffled on what if anything he would have done had he been in a position to vote on the issue - which he wasn''t. However, since then he has voted down the line with Clinton on every issue regarding the Iraq War. And GEEZ - the only reason that Obama is now back-peddling in his decision not to take money from lobbyist is because he got his hands dirty with Rezko but he sure hasn''t given back money from the STATE lobbyist that support him. I don''t have a problem with people choosing to side with Obama over Hillary but for heaven''s sake - tell the truth in your arguments. Otherwise all that''s accomplished is further proof that Obama''s supporters haven''t done their homework.

[westafer2]

History has shown that great American Presidents have had vision, sound judgment, courage, and strong character. On October 2, 2002 Barack Obama%u2019s judgment told him that starting a war in Iraq would be a big mistake and he forcefully said so. Much to the contrary later that same month both Senators Hillary Clinton and John McCain voted for funds authorizing President Bush to begin the Iraq war.
Unlike his opponents Barack Obama has made the significant decision not to accept campaign contributions from lobbyists and political action committees. It is Barack Obama%u2019s judgment that the President of the United States should be elected without being beholden to money peddlers in Washington or anywhere else. Barack Obama raises the money necessary for his campaign for president directly from the people to whom he is accountable, people like you and me. Barack Obama has a love of America and its people and a belief that together ordinary Americans can do extraordinary things, like 1 million ordinary Americans giving $25 each to raise $25 million dollars.

[obamamabo]

Hillary Clinton''s ambitions are clouding her already foggy judgement--the same judgment she used to authorize President Bush to attack Iraq. She continues to slander Obama, the man with the math who will eventually win the nomination. I am a democrat, and I do not want to vote for her. I''d rather vote for Nader than allow her to continue "business as usual" in Washington. We must rally around Obama if we are to win the White House. Hill Billy should sacrifice her ambitions for the sake of the country.

[parsnip3]

Clinton''s fraud trial has already begun:
"While Hillary Clinton battles Barack Obama on the campaign trail, a judge in Los Angeles is quietly preparing to set a trial date in a $17 million fraud suit that aims to expose an alleged culture of widespread corruption by the Clintons and the Democratic Party."

Read full article:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56868

And what about her top adviser?:
Mark Penn is not just a heavy hitting PR person, he''s an uscrupulous PR person, giving advice to clients such as the tobacco industry, instructing them on how to target inner city minorities via smokers rights groups, blackwater on how to effectively respond to questions from the 911 commission, and advising subprime lending groups on how to move forward with their agendas and deflect fallout.

http://www.prwatch.org/node/6213

Voters need to educate themselves before casting their final vote.
Obama ''08

[dari253]

Part 3


However, in a sense of fairness to all candidates, I would like to see each candidate%u2019s 2004,2005,2006 and after April 15th 2007 Income Tax returns.

To the best of my knowledge, neither Senator Clinton nor McCain have done so yet.

Also, for the sake of transparency, I would like to see EACH OF THEM make public their Appointment Books for the same time frame.

Since Senator Clinton is touting 35 years of experience, AND loaned her campaign 5 million from their JOINT account, I think it is only fair to ask for Phone Logs, Meeting Memos, etc from her White House years.

Also, since Senator McCain has no problem SAYING he is a Lobbying Reformist BUT has his Senate Office & his campaign being run by Lobbyists, I think that he should be willing to have those parties provide a list of clients that they lobby for, so that the watchdog groups can monitor any abnormalities.

When the unflattering NY Times story broke, McCain asked and answered ONLY ONCE, just hours after the story broke and has refused since.

The Washington Post and other publications have done follow up articles.

This goes MORE to McCain''s JUDGMENT than any particular wrongdoing.

And, since Senator Clinton also takes both Lobbyist and PAC monies, a similar list would be needed to provide FULL transparency.

For this educated voter, there is a VAST difference between DOUBLE speak and DOUBLE doings and actual, factual information for the voters to elect their President.

[dari253]

Part 2

Outside from the obvious problems caused by Senator Clinton aligning herself & endorsing Senator McCain%u2019s %u201Cbona fides%u201D while she tears into her Democratic opponent, Senator Obama, the Republican attack machine can far more easily blame and USE her as an excuse for any dirt that they want to throw covertly.

Today on CNN Morning, a Republican strategist accused the Clinton campaign of creating a Rezko website and gave the website domain.

When my son was young, one of my primary responsibilities was to teach him that his choices had consequences and that he needed to consider the consequences BEFORE he acted on his choice.

Senator Clinton is attempting to change the rules; or, perhaps it is more accurate to say that she & her campaign changes themselves as they go along.

I not only agree with Howard Dean, I applaude him. He is the wall that the Clintons'' and their co-horts have not been able to crash through and they are out to destroy his credibility.

However, both my son and Howard Dean know that choices have consequences.

Both states were repeatedly warned that they were not to move up their primaries and if they did so, there would be consequences for violating the rules.

[dari253]

Part 1

Senator Obama has always said that he will surround himself with people who may not always agree with him but he will listen.

Most academics are proud of their own area of expertise and may be a bit naive about newspapers or media that ask them to get together for one thing (Powers was/is on a book tour in England).

In my opinion, regarding Iraq, her answer was a feasible and educated one. How can one declaratively answer a hypothetical, future tense without sounding ridiculous?

It might have been better had she pulled out a crystal ball and waved her hands over it.

Whoever wins the White House will have a vastly different Iraq than we have now.

Regarding NAFTAgate, if you watch this clip from the oldest and most venerated Cdn. TV networks, you will see that Obama''s explanation was substantiated.

http://www.cbc.ca/mrl3/8752/vsu/wmv-hi/macdonald-obama-memo080303.wmv

Unlike the American press who do not make the distinction that the Cdn. Consulate in Chicago approached a Professor of Economics for a meeting, the Canadians have.

The Globe & Mail in Canada has QUOTED Harper''s top aide as stating that it was the Clinton campaign who called to reassure the Cdn. gov''t.

MEMOgate, as the Canadians might call it, won''t be going away any time soon.