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- I think trying to bail out GM is just throwing good money after bad.
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- Posted by Hypnotoad72 at 10:24 AM : Nov 11, 2008
I live in Michigan and have seen first hand how the UAW works and how their members milked the system for all it was worth. No line worker should be making up to 80,000 a year. Heck, my husband is a financial controller/CPA and is in the mid 80''s. Why should line workers with no degrees or training make wages comparable to those who have paid their dues. Most salaried individuals I know work ungodly hours for the betterment of the company. Union workers are spendthrifts with all sorts of toys, big guts, and drinking/smoking problems. Take a look at UAW strikers and you''ll see that they all need motorized wheelchairs as they picket for more money. GM has gone to China for the huge market there and Japan is producing cars just fine without a "union" to drag them down. My husband was a senior accountant for a Japanese supplier, the shop floor workers had lower wages but good benefits. American workers want "everything" even if the company has hit the skids. I can''t stand unions.
Also, this country is too modern to allow safety hazards to happen during the production of cars, unions are just not necessary anymore. We have lawyers today that can see to any injustice and the media can blow up a story in an instant so it is highly unlikely that a manufacturer could get away with anything that hurts the employee anyway. - Reply to this comment
- Bill Clinton is a neoliberal...a neoliberal is not a Democrat; it is somebody who works for the corporations and soothes his or her conscience by throwing the poor a bone now and again.
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- China is offering the Big Three over $300 billion ($100 billion each) to move to their country and "retool" to make cars and trucks for the GLOBAL market!!! No more UAW Union workers and their thug bosses!!!
Posted by scb1111_1 at 10:35 AM : Nov 11, 2008
There is the measure of how patriotic "the right" is...they would relocate our ability to make war material to China, if it put more money in their pocket. - Reply to this comment
- Then we can buy a new car at Wal-Mart.
Posted by libertarian5 at 10:37 AM : Nov 11, 2008
lolll...in China, the stores say "Wal*Mart", with a nice red star in the middle.
I would not be surprised to see that show up in the U.S. of A., because everything Wal*Mart does primarily benefits China to the disavantage of the U.S. manufacturer and worker. - Reply to this comment
- Agreed. But if they can recall governors from crackpot states teetering next to an ocean of seismic proportions (that''''s riddle-speak for California), then surely presidents can be recalled too?
Posted by Hypnotoad72 at 10:34 AM : Nov 11, 2008
Guess you were in Gov Palin''s government class? - Reply to this comment
- China is offering the Big Three over $300 billion ($100 billion each) to move to their country and "retool" to make cars and trucks for the GLOBAL market!!! No more UAW Union workers and their thug bosses!!!
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Posted by scb1111_1 at 10:35 AM : Nov 11, 2008
Then we can buy a new car at Wal-Mart. - Reply to this comment
- (at least the good ones and I won''''t say there isn''t a problem on the worker side either but that''s another conversation)
Posted by Hypnotoad72 at 10:33 AM : Nov 11, 2008
I couldn''t agree more...It amazes me that the right continues to point the finger at the American worker for the failure of the American economy when in fact the economy is failing because income got pushed to the top - where it sits or leaves for investment offshore - while jobs disappear at the bottom.
The right REFUSES to accept the fact that the American worker IS the American consumer, and by attacking the jobs and wages of the American worker they cut the nutz off of the American economy.
Greed makes the right extraordinarily stupid. - Reply to this comment
- Obama''''s approval rating will be less than 20% before he takes office.
Posted by mr22587 at 10:31 AM : Nov 11, 2008
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Prove it.
Posted by FloydZeppd at 10:32 AM : Nov 11, 2008
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Agreed. But if they can recall governors from crackpot states teetering next to an ocean of seismic proportions (that''s riddle-speak for California), then surely presidents can be recalled too? - Reply to this comment
- One out of ten workers would be affected by GM going down. Let''s not forget all the suppliers who will be hurt as well. Some of these shops are non-union and do not play a part in what models GM makes.
It''s silly to think that bailout money will go toward making more SUV''s, GM has learned this lesson with car dealerships full of them. A bailout should be for retooling and producing smaller vehicles. The infrastructure is not ready for alternative vehicles yet, so mass producing said cars is not viable.
Also, let''s not forget the consumer who gobbled up SUV''s and led the automakers to produce more. Gas went up and we all did an about face on the cars we wanted. GM deserves the chance to make the changeover and get out the products we need. This bailout should be about doing this and not about paying retirees their benefits that were overblown in the first place, let them receive the same kind of benefits that the rest of us have and the UAW can bite me because I''m sick of their unrealistic tactics. - Reply to this comment
- You guys are so intent on crushing the American worker that you don''''t even see the stupidity of the things that you type.
Posted by ibsteve2u at 10:25 AM : Nov 11, 2008
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The ramifications so far, by ditching America''s workers*, showing that the economy is in jeopardy and the same corporations are begging the government for welfare. On top of existing "government subsidy" too, I would guess/assume/presume/whatever.
* (at least the good ones and I won''t say there isn''t a problem on the worker side either but that''s another conversation) - Reply to this comment
- Where I live, in the southwes, DHL had lousy service. Good riddance - this is how capitalism is supposed to work.
Posted by libertarian5 at 10:30 AM : Nov 11, 2008
Same in Pennsylvania...I sorta don''t like deliveries that go to the wrong house and get left on the porch in the rain because nobody lived there to start with. - Reply to this comment
- wELLLL HERE WE GO AGAIN SMART PEOPLE Why not bail out the OIL COS. OHHH EXCUSE me we only bailout those who fail not those who are succeessful. SOME INCENTIVE toSUCCEED ?? If you do well we should pay more taces to support those who fail ?? Thisa is not capitalism or socialism . It should be called stupidity ??
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- Obama to BAN all Oil and Gas Explorations within America!!! Natural Gas is the Key to Clean Natural Gas running cars in America!!!
Posted by scb1111_1 at 10:29 AM : Nov 11, 2008
lolll...gee, what makes me think your royalty payment from the well heads on your property have a lot to do with your politics...
Or you work for Big Oil directly...
lolllll..... - Reply to this comment
- The Auto Bailout will go mainly to pay UNION workers pay and healthcare. The average UAW union worker makes $30.00 in pay and benefits while the avarage non-union worker in America is luckly to make $10.00 per hour in pay with no benefits? And they want all of those who make $10.00 to bailout those making $30.00??? No Way, No How!!!
Posted by scb1111_1 at 10:24 AM : Nov 11, 2008
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Why not pay good workers $30/hr and then laugh at unions until they disintegrate out of embarrassment; the workers no longer needing to pay dues - more money for them?
Indeed, those good workers getting good wages for good work would in turn put that money back into the economy. Good workers at $10/hr would have enough time staying alive and would be less inclined to remain good workers, or find another company that pays more -- the 1990s, as a flip side, workers did jump from job to job when the job they left paid less. It''s the inverse of today''s situation where "if it costs less, regardless of quality, do it".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj-vIOMtVY0 - Reply to this comment
- Where I live, in the southwes, DHL had lousy service. Good riddance - this is how capitalism is supposed to work.
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- Posted by mr22587 at 10:24 AM : Nov 11, 2008
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DHL is staying - they are doing US-to-other-countries. They are ceasing US-US operations and discussing those operations with FedEx and UPS.
It''s been said Dell is dropping DHL in 2009 -- I bet if Dell ditched ''em in 2008, DHS would have canned US-US operations in 2007. Dell was, so I''d read, their biggest customer. Easy to see why, Dell makes items that break down more frequently than any Ford I''ve ever driven... and they''re not made in the US either.
It''s about the cheapest costs; nothing more. Which is why we''ve so much waste; everything is so shoddily built...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj-vIOMtVY0 - Reply to this comment
- And they want all of those who make $10.00 to bailout those making $30.00??? No Way, No How!!!
Posted by scb1111_1 at 10:24 AM : Nov 11, 2008
Hey, genius: Which one is paying taxes, the one making $10 an hour or the one making $30 an hour?
You guys are so intent on crushing the American worker that you don''t even see the stupidity of the things that you type. - Reply to this comment
- Posted by promaclaura at 09:57 AM : Nov 11, 2008
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Would you drive a car built in China? They have no unions, manufacturing is done by and large with slave labor (so I''m told), and with melamine, lead, components of antifreeze, and so on in their product, you would prefer their contribution to the "global economy"?
Note, their lack of regulations is why they have gotten away with producing inferior or toxic products. I highly doubt anything sinister is really going on. - Reply to this comment
- Posted by paidGOPshill at 10:08 AM : Nov 11, 2008
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Yawn. Tell us again how McCain raced back to Washington to beg for a socialist bailout.
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He was setup by Pelosi and Reid with the help of the drive by media and the RINOs in his own party! - Reply to this comment
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