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- Fabian Socialism in action.
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- easeup-yea, payback, that''s the ticket. That works, that gets a country going. Let''s pay back.
How about we start with the dems who made a bundle from fannie and freddie. That''ll work for me. - Reply to this comment
- libertarian5-and the Congress is held by which party?? Funny how some posters pointed out time and time again that Congress is the responsible arm of government, that the president REALLY can''t make policy. That''s usually pointed out when the Republicans are in power. All I know is that since the dems took power the stock market has been tanking. As for the economic meltdown, funny how that worked for the chosen one. Dems make the mess and they profit from it. Say, is fannie and freddie still handing out loans?? Is frank still making a bundle??
Yea, let''s talk about Bush. - Reply to this comment
- Steve, my husband gives every effort to provide the most accurate information for his employers. The same cannot be said for the line-worker, as they are too busy blaming everyone else for their status as line-worker, flubbling up is no big deal when you''re already at the bottom.
Posted by promaclaura at 11:25 AM : Nov 11, 2008
There is a certain conceit and class-based derision embedded in that statement.
It presumes:
1) All line workers are equal - and in your perspective, equally bad
2) No line workers ever move on to higher level jobs, which presumes that all employees who are not line workers come from a different class - one more advantaged, more able to begin working with the requisite education
Those are both false assumptions, and have a very Republican slant to them and are in very large part why we are losing so many jobs.
The people who manage our corporations do not LIKE to manage people because they are not good at it - they see themselves as better than the "line workers" who think "flubbing up is no big deal"; in short, they do not really understand what it is their people do every day.
So they ship the jobs offshore in order to shuffle paperwork and profits from afar, which does not require any managerial or interpersonal skills and does yield much higher margins. - Reply to this comment
- Now, both GM stock and GM vehicles are junk. Any company that loses billions of dollars each year should be shut down, but apparently that is no longer the American way. What about all of those jobs?
Any congress-person who votes to give GM more money is an absolute imbecile. What is the logic of giving these nincompoops more billions to lose? - Reply to this comment
- Sounds like GM is threatening the tax payers. If you don''t give us a bailout we eill have to shut down all our US opratons by Dec.( not many left anyway). They don''t mention shutting down their overseas operations. I am not for a bailout,BUT if they give them one, there should be a condition. They would move all their operations back to the USA, along with all their suppliers. No foreign parts in their cars.
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- I know what your husband''''s job is, and you should pin your husband against the wall and ask him if worker or engineering and design errors cost his company more money.
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Posted by ibsteve2u at 11:14 AM : Nov 11, 2008
You betcha they have cost money. A viable manufacturer relies on correct reporting and production and budgets successfully if the production information is correct. Mistakes in the reporting are never-ending and he always has to go back to find where the mistakes were made so he can provide accurate budgets and forecasts for the company to stay afloat. These budgets are in the millions of dollars and not rinky-dink operations, as most of the companies he has worked for are global.
Steve, my husband gives every effort to provide the most accurate information for his employers. The same cannot be said for the line-worker, as they are too busy blaming everyone else for their status as line-worker, flubbling up is no big deal when you''re already at the bottom. - Reply to this comment
- Dow down over 290 points, the Obama''s ''firesell'' continues!!! China urges foreign investors in the American Stock Market to move their monies to the Asain and European Markets!!!
Posted by scb1111_1 at 11:10 AM : Nov 11, 2008
Ahhh...that''s it. Since there are no press releases supporting your claims, I presume you are a commie?
I can think of no other way to explain your familiarity with China''s goals.... - Reply to this comment
- It must be nice to be a CEO in America, you run your business in the ground and the federal government, using taxpayer monies, bails you out. All the while the American taxpayer struggles to stay afloat. Doesn''t quite sound right to me.
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- Sorry, you don''''t know what you''re talking about. A financial controller for a manufacturer involves endless hours and sorting through every detail of the manufacturing environment. If the line worker produces junk or reports false information it affects my husbands job as he has to dig up the information and find where the mistakes were made. Sometimes I wish he was a line worker, he would have set hours and could walk away and let the next line worker take over, but he doesn''''t have that luxury as the buck stops at his desk.
Posted by promaclaura at 11:07 AM : Nov 11, 2008
You should be careful about jumping to conclusions. The last manufacturer that I worked for has manufacturing facilities across the United States, Europe, and Asia. I suspect that it is somewhat larger than your husband''s company, and its plants are unionized in some places, not in others.
I know what your husband''s job is, and you should pin your husband against the wall and ask him if worker or engineering and design errors cost his company more money. - Reply to this comment
And I would suggest your husband go work "the line"...I have two degrees, and now do not go anywhere near a manufacturing line, but I assure you that operating a computer is easier as an accountant in its own way than "the line" is.
Plus, your life rides on that autoworker getting it right the first time, every time.
The same cannot be said for the output of your husband''''s efforts.
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Posted by ibsteve2u at 10:53 AM : Nov 11, 2008
Sorry, you don''t know what you''re talking about. A financial controller for a manufacturer involves endless hours and sorting through every detail of the manufacturing environment. If the line worker produces junk or reports false information it affects my husbands job as he has to dig up the information and find where the mistakes were made. Sometimes I wish he was a line worker, he would have set hours and could walk away and let the next line worker take over, but he doesn''t have that luxury as the buck stops at his desk.- Reply to this comment
- Dow down over 250 points, the Obama''''s ''''firesell'''' continues!!! Most Small-Businesses see Barack Obama as the most ANTI-BUSINESS candidate for presidency in American History!!!
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Posted by scb1111_1 at 11:00 AM : Nov 11, 2008
Actually, Bush is still President. The market is down by 1/3 under his guidance. Hard to pin that on Obama.
Will unemployment checks pay for Chineese cars? - Reply to this comment
- I know exactly what I''m talking about as I am in the thick of it. With a husband and family members employed by automaker suppliers we have seen the UAW''''s sick gluttony. None of my family are union members and we resent watching these companies go down as the UAW demands more. Bailout money for retirees that enjoy out of this world health benefits? No way, they have got their share and then some. If the UAW cared about this country they would join reality with the rest of us and stop expecting the world on a platter.
ps Nobody argues that CEO''s make too much and that a failed company means no goodies for them, but their are many executives that have given all and worked endless hours on a SALARY pay. Union people punch out and do nothing over and above for the betterment of the company, just the betterment of the union.
Posted by promaclaura at 11:00 AM : Nov 11, 2008
Gee, so the corporations who signed those labor contracts should not be held to them? Laws only apply to union workers? Ain''t that sweet.
By the way: Tell your husband to quit whining. They are already making the parts - tell them to get off their azzes and make the cars, too.
THAT is capitalism. It is NOT reneging on contracts made in good faith.
If you can make it better and cheaper, then DO IT. But quit trying to rob workers in other industries so that you can make more money in your industry. - Reply to this comment
- The UAW got him in, now it''s time to pay back Big Labor.
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- Not really. Its blog trolls like you that destroyed America. Liberals are trying to save it.
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*Yawn* Why don''t you go find your messiahs agenda, it seems to have vanished off of his webpage. - Reply to this comment
- Unions are soooo 19th and 20th Century!!! Let China bring the Big Three into the 21st Century by letting them "retool" them for the GLOBAL Market!!! Good-bye UAW and their Union bosses too!!!
Posted by scb1111_1 at 10:58 AM : Nov 11, 2008
lolll...paying a CEO 400 times average worker pay is a G.D. waste of money, and is only possible because they serve on each other''s boards of directors and so can set each other''s salary.
CEOs have robbery down to an art form... - Reply to this comment
- Posted by promaclaura at 10:47 AM : Nov 11, 2008
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Typical RINO. Blame everybody else but themselves.
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Posted by FloydZeppd at 10:50 AM : Nov 11, 2008
I know exactly what I''m talking about as I am in the thick of it. With a husband and family members employed by automaker suppliers we have seen the UAW''s sick gluttony. None of my family are union members and we resent watching these companies go down as the UAW demands more. Bailout money for retirees that enjoy out of this world health benefits? No way, they have got their share and then some. If the UAW cared about this country they would join reality with the rest of us and stop expecting the world on a platter.
ps Nobody argues that CEO''s make too much and that a failed company means no goodies for them, but their are many executives that have given all and worked endless hours on a SALARY pay. Union people punch out and do nothing over and above for the betterment of the company, just the betterment of the union. - Reply to this comment
- We must not allow the auto industry in America to collapse and the past 8 years of republican misrule as well as the previous 12 years of both Democratic and Republican toadying to the car industry and free wheeling "make a quick buck" capitalism has left the nations in ruins....on the back of the working People.
Time to reorganize and to change our philisophical attitudes towards glorifying the "businessman" for they are only moved by greed and power. Oversight is required not the Republican view of lets have the fat cats get rich....nothing ever trickles down as history once again so clearly shows Capitalism when unbridled has its own deadly flaws. - Reply to this comment
- No line worker should be making up to 80,000 a year. Heck, my husband is a financial controller/CPA and is in the mid 80''s.
Also, this country is too modern to allow safety hazards to happen during the production of cars, unions are just not necessary anymore.
Posted by promaclaura at 10:47 AM : Nov 11, 2008
You fail to take into consideration possibilities like this President, who is using "executive orders" in an attempt to gut existing environmental laws before he leaves office.
The exact same tactic can be used against labor and worker safety laws, negating your claim that we "are too modern". ALL of that presumes the rule of law, and the corporations, their CEOs, and Republicans in general hold that laws and regulations are burdens that restrict profits and so should be eliminated.
And I would suggest your husband go work "the line"...I have two degrees, and now do not go anywhere near a manufacturing line, but I assure you that operating a computer is easier as an accountant in its own way than "the line" is.
Plus, your life rides on that autoworker getting it right the first time, every time.
The same cannot be said for the output of your husband''s efforts. - Reply to this comment
- I can''''t stand unions.
Posted by promaclaura
Every time I have to go home after a forty hour work week or sit home on Labor Day I just seethe. Those lazy liberals have ruined this country. - Reply to this comment
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