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- Hey Douglas_Dunn my husband wants to know what you think of "slick willy"?
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- Abraham Lincoln''s only notable accomplishment before assuming the Presidency was a 2year stint in the Illinois Stae Legislature.
For Harry Truman it was running a Habadashery in Kansas City and 2 years in the Senate.
What evidence do we have that those with more experience will accomplish more in the White House?
None from actual history.
Experience and accomplishment are 2 different things and accomplishment is often a matter of perception.
I respect Senator McCain''s military experience and even though I question his reluctance to release the full record I don''t have a basis to question it.
I don''t discount or diminish the accomplishments of Senator Obama or any other legislator and/or community activist either.
Some think community activist and envision someone with a bullhorn making speeches. I think of bankers making pre-devlopment loans for projects that wouldn''t otherwise happen, crime watch leaders, food banks, privately funded health clinics, Habitat For Humanity,etc.
Are those the kind of accomplishments that you think don''t count and don''t develop a person''s character?
I don''t agree. - Reply to this comment
- One thing that I have noticed through posting. Democrats are paranoid about Republicans and Republicans are paranoid about terrorists.
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- Polls can be manipulated my friend, just like the Florida vote. You underestimate the depravity of your Republican leaders.
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- Trapbreak, you want truth? You boy''s off his rocker. He''s not McCain, he''s insane. That''s the only truth about the man. He''s a dangerous lunatic. He''s running for president because he has most of Congress afraid to stand up to him. This national spot light will put an end to this. He has run roughshod over Congress for too long now. Senior Republicans have risked their political careers to warn us. He is a "loose cannon" in their words, which is political nice way of saying he''s a maniac. He''s maniacle is his quest for our highest office. You can''t drag his family''s good name into this. Barack Obama is more of a man than John McCain could ever hope to be in this world or the next. Now that is a fact, and you loyal, die-hard Republicans can talk from now until the end of your years on this planet and John McCain will still be a disgusting excuse for a political leader, a man I would not want my children to even meet, more or less salute.
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- Don,
Here''s a sampling of "Obama history" that you might not be familiar with:
Supported and helped enact a middle class tax cut in the Illnois Legislature. His proposals for a middle class tax cut on the federal level aren''t just campaign rhetoric.
Recognized the fallacy of a preemptive invasion of Iraq and had the political courage to take a stand; something that as a state legislator he didn''t have to do.
Took a lonely stand as a Presidential candidate for acting on intell to strike Al Queada in Pakastan. This stand was roundly criticized by politicians in both parties trying to play it safe. They''ve all subsequently come around and the result has been the taking out of Al Quead''s #3 by unmanned American drones on the Pakastani side of the border. The repercussions from Pakastan? Zilch.
Called for a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq. Bush & McCain attacked this as cut and run. Now that the Iraqi government have endorsed this plan the White House is scrambling to negotiate an even quicker withdrawal than what Obama has proposed. - Reply to this comment
- Obama is slipping in the polls even with Biden.
What are the reasons?
Negative attacks? Could be
Too much nuance? Could be
Voters getting to know him? Probably
Usually, the election at this stage is about people making up their mind that they know a person''s achievements and abilities and that they are ready for the big job.
Have we ever seen someone promoted to a job they couldn''t handle? Sure.
Hire from the resume. That is the clue. - Reply to this comment
- formr, companies do not hire people to be CEO because they went to a good college or have an advanced degree.
The applicants must have accomplished something in their life. - Reply to this comment
- Well we''''''''re supposed to "focus" on Barack''''''''s supposed "home-grown" past as a basis for his electability. So I guess using the past is up for grabs for everyone.
Posted by promaclaura at 09:05 PM : Aug 26, 2008
Well, if 4 deade old occurances are really relevant, I guess Obama could go on about 2nd grade ad infinitim.....
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Posted by formrusmcsgt
Most elections are about a person''s past, and what he proposes for the future. Looking at what someone has done in the past helps us to decide what we think they will do in the future. There is no getting around it. If anything, I have gained the insight that McCain has given alot for his country, beyond most. Whether or not he fit the "suitable prisoner or pilot mode", that you have constructed as acceptable is moot if you''ve never been a prisoner. - Reply to this comment
- formr, that is what everyone wants to talk about with Obama because there is little else.
Life experiences are more important and professional achievement.
Posted by donbl1 at 09:16 PM : Aug 26, 2008
So you think a mind that finished in the bottom 10% of his class is preferable to one which graduated at the top of the class?
You''re priveledge.
I have to go now, but we can compare notes again next time on other attributes.
Deal? - Reply to this comment
- formr, that is what everyone wants to talk about with Obama because there is little else.
Life experiences are more important and professional achievement.
Posted by donbl1 at 09:16 PM : Aug 26, 2008
So you think a mind that finished in the bottom 10% of his class is preferable to one which graduated at the top of the class?
You''re priveledge.
I have to go now, but we can compare notes again next time on other attributes.
Deal? - Reply to this comment
- formr, that is what everyone wants to talk about with Obama because there is little else.
Life experiences are more important and professional achievement. - Reply to this comment
- What have we for history on Obama? Is there anything? How do you compare the experiences of a Senior Lecturer at a Law School?
Posted by donbl1 at 09:10 PM : Aug 26, 2008
Why don''t we start with academics as an indiciation as a quality of mind we''re dealing with in the candidate.
Obama graduated suma c u m laude from Harvard Law School while McCain was something like 853rd in his class of about 900 at Anapolis. - Reply to this comment
- All of his children support his bid for president.
Posted by Trapbreak at 09:07 PM : Aug 26, 2008
That''s a shocker, eh?
Who''d have guessed? - Reply to this comment
- formrusmcsgt, thank you for making it so clear why the Vietnamese treated him with kid gloves. Are we voting for John McCain the man, or for his good family name, because I can assure you there is a huge difference between your wanna-be playboy president and his grandfather, a huge IMMEASURABLE difference of character.
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- So, now that we have talked at length about McCain''s early history.
To me, McCain is like a video I have seen for the last 35 years. I remember the first time I saw him (and his dad) and I feel I witnessed his good points and bad decisions.
What have we for history on Obama? Is there anything? How do you compare the experiences of a Senior Lecturer at a Law School? - Reply to this comment
- I would consider John McCain a WAR HERO if he just stopped talking about it for ONE DAY.
Posted by Douglas_Dunn at 09:07 PM : Aug 26, 2008
Thank you. - Reply to this comment
- Most of the Navy jet pilots I have met are, by necessity cocky, fearless and believe they are immortal. They have to be that way.
Posted by donbl1 at 09:06 PM : Aug 26, 2008
Agreed, no doubt. And look what 8 years of cockiness has brought us.
We surely don''t need four more years of it. - Reply to this comment
- Well we''''re supposed to "focus" on Barack''''s supposed "home-grown" past as a basis for his electability. So I guess using the past is up for grabs for everyone.
Posted by promaclaura at 09:05 PM : Aug 26, 2008
Well, if 4 deade old occurances are really relevant, I guess Obama could go on about 2nd grade ad infinitim..... - Reply to this comment
- He crashed three planes during training. They sent him to Nam as a matter of fiscal responsibility. There he flew 23 missions before being shot down. A Vietnamese peasant saved his life but went to his grave wanting nothing more than for McCain to recognize him. He never did because it meant exposing constituents to the truth that his injuries were the result of his plane crash, not inflicted on him in Hanoi Hilton, were the guards have always maintained that he was treated with kid gloves. My neighbor''s dad here in Arkansas flew 115 combat mission over Nam. He came home unscathed and stopped talking about it decades ago. I used to hang around in bars and talk to Nam vets back then. I did it for years. It didn''t take long to realize that if someone talked a lot they probably didn''t even fight. The quiet ones would talk, but only after a long time drinking together. Those who the ones who really fought. John flew his 23 missions. We respect that, but it was 30 years ago. Will we never stop hearing WAR HERO. I she the only person in our 230 year history who ever fought in battle. And does getting shot down and then making a politically motivated decision to remain in prison qualify someone to be a war hero. He stayed in that prison because even back then he had political ambitions. It is a matter of record that he talked of the presidency with a cell mate. I would consider John McCain a WAR HERO if he just stopped talking about it for ONE DAY.
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