Comments on: Obama's Unlikely Anti-Abortion Supporters

Washington Post: Anti-Abortion Lawmakers' Backing May Help in Pennsylvania, Indiana

[gaye5]

Then in this program of abstinence there''s something called, Becoming a Responsible Teen, Be Proud!, Be Responsible and Focus on Kids, encourage teens to imagine ways to "eroticize condom use with (their) partner" (page 78-79) and assign teens to create a list of ways to be close to a person without having intercourse, including, "body massage, bathing together, masturbation, sensuous feeding, fantasizing, watching erotic movies, reading erotic books and magazines (page 137)." In contrast, Game Plan (page 10 and 35) and Navigator (page 29) define abstinence as avoiding "any type of genital contact or sexual stimulation including, but not limited to, sexual intercourse."

What we need to do is tell teens that teens that are sexually active are about three times more likely to be depressed than those who are not., They are three to five times more likely to attempt suicide. And early teen sexual activity is related to health problems and sexually transmitted diseases. But more than that, early teenage sexual activity sets up a pattern of casual *** and promiscuity that can last a lifetime. This is what we need to tell teens, and we''re not telling them. The same as we are not telling people that the bedfellow of homosexuality is disease and the horrific things that they do to get these diseases and that their life span is less than hetrosexuals.

Parents dont want explicit programs, such as those that teach children as young as five about masturbation.

[beader59]

Great now Obama is letting anti-woman''s rights to back him. First a racist, now this. What next?????

[gypsy0126]

I forgot to mention....Obama has voted FOR partial birth abortions..... look up his voting record. Afterall he did say he would not want his children "punished" with a baby.

[gypsy0126]

If you are just now reading that Senator McCain prefers to run against Clinton, then you are really behind. McCain prefers to run against her because she is his equal. He reported almost two years ago, his problems with the great uniter Obama. McCain said his view of Obama was that he comes in with a halo on his head, and that he believes he was put here for a greater purpose, in other words....he thinks he is a Messiah. McCain and Hillary Clinton are good friends. They differ on political issues but travel all over the world together representating their seats on the Senator Armed Services Committee.

[gaye5]

Please help me here I am from Asutralia but I have read that the American abstinence education, in fact promote *** for children..
Doesnt these comprehensive %u2018sex ed%u2019 programs have more to do with teaching sexual technique than abstinence. Some of the lesson plans actually give detailed information on how to use condoms or participate in so-called "condom races."

Don''t these curricula typically have middle school children practice unrolling condoms on *** or cucumbers. They have kids go out and practice buying condoms in stores around the neighborhood. They have homosexual role playing. They teach kids to hide condoms on their bodies so their partners can feel them and find the condom. It is material virtually that no parent in the United States would want to have their children exposed to.
Isnt abstinence a deceptive choice of wording??. It appears to me that many of these programs are quietly passing parental muster because they sound safe and unassuming with names like "abstinence based" or "abstinence plus." yet in fact they are teaching children to have *** and with this type of teaching armed with their unbridled hormones they will.

[parrot123-2009]

The reference point for us in understanding what 6 days is relates to the earth revolving around the sun.
The earth wasn''''t revolving around the sun before and while it was being created. Certainly a different measure of time was at work and we have no way of determining the length of a "God Day".
Posted by realpatriot1 at 12:49 PM : Apr 14, 2008

You sound like a politician ..... and seem very smart too. Cheers!

[realpatriot1]

Libra127,

Maybe Obama did him and haw because he''s a politician who doesn''t want to have any more of his words dissected and made into headlines.

On the other hand, I would have difficulty answeriing that question myself and I don''t accept that your 2 alternatives are the only ones.

I believe in an omnicient creator as generally described in the Bible but I don''t think the 6 days
referred to is necessarily comparable to what 6 days mean to us.

The reference point for us in understanding what 6 days is relates to the earth revolving around the sun.
The earth wasn''t revolving around the sun before and while it was being created. Certainly a different measure of time was at work and we have no way of determining the length of a "God Day".

[creeper00]

" i cannot have my tax $$$$$ going toward WELFARE ABORTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Posted by bdrlnt4rl at 10:35 AM : Apr 14, 2008

Ummm...so you''d rather have your tax $$$$$ going toward WELFARE BABIES instead?

The average cost of a first-trimester abortion is $468.
Link: http://www.guttmacher.org/in-the-know/cost.html

The average welfare payment for one child over the course of eighteen years is $62,992.
Link here: http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ofa/cfc_fy96.htm

I am sick to death of paying child support for someone else''s children. I will happily pony up $468 to ensure that a child does not tap into my checkbook till he or she reaches adulthood.

I''ve never before told someone on here that they are stupid. I''ll make an exception in your case.

[realpatriot1]

As soon as I released the publish button I wanted to take back the dig at McCain. It was partly but not entirely true.

I do give him credit for working to eliminate earmarks and to reform campaign finance. I was thinking more about Iraq, tax cuts for the rich vs. tax cuts for the middle class, and the government playing a role in stimulating the economy.

Those are the issues people should be debating rather than the character assassination stuff.

McCain''s character isn''t perfect but he''s generally honorable and I think the same is true of Obama.

[realpatriot1]

Jack3213,

I don''t expect any politician to deliver on all of their promises and I have no illusions about Obama being able to accomplish everything he wants to.

At the same time, common sense tells me that a politician who sincerely trys to make change will accomplish more, even with some failures, as one who doesn''t even try to change anything for the better.

That would be John McCain.

[libra127]

At the Forum last night, Obama was asked what he would say to his young daughter if she asked "Daddy, was the world really created in 6 days as it says in the Bible?"

Obama hemmed and hawed and basically said nothing coherent. He was pathetically averse to simply saying that the Genesis story in the Bible is a myth created a couple millenia ago. It is Science that is telling us the real story of the origin of the Universe - maybe not the why, but at least the how.

It is pathetic if 1) he does not know and believe this, and pathetic if 2) he knows it but was unwilling to say it for fear of antagonizing Fundamentalist Christians. I fear it was the latter - pure political PANDERING.

[greenfun]

Casey and Richardson are both suspect. What is really in it for them?

[jack3213]

OF COURSE MCCAIN WANTS TO RUN AGAINST CLINTON- HE KNOWS HE HAS A BETTER CHANCE OF WINNING.

[tbweb]

Sen. John McCain is now reported to have said he supports Sen. Hillary Clinton over Sen. Barack Obama and would prefer to run against Sen. Clinton over Sen. Obama! Sen. Clinton said Sen. McCain and herself were ready to be Commander and Chief and Sen. Obama was not! Seems like Sen. McCain and Sen. Clinton have a mutual admiration society going on and in the context of "change" neither of them represent it! Based on "change" alone and in the context of change, neither should get Votes from those interested in real change!

[jack3213]

CCFSDCA: IT WAS A COMMENT IN REGARDS TO HOW SOMEONE WHO THINKS SHE CAN DO SO MANY THINGS FOR OTHERS CANNOT PREDICT THE FUTURE, LET ALONE WHAT HER HUSBAND WILL DO- SHE THINKS SHE CAN CONTROL THE USA BY PROMISING THEM SHE WILL PROVIDE SOLUTIONS TO ISSUES SHE IS NOT CAPABLE OF AND LIKE OBAMA THEY BOTH ARE PHONEY AND FULL OF S--- ANYONE WHO BELIEVES THEM IS JUST WISHFUL THINKING AND CANNOT EXPECT THE CHANGE THEY ARE PROMISED. TIME TO WAKE UPO FROM YOUR FOG.

[dothemath3]

We''re all pro-life. Nobody thinks abortion is a great option.

A pregnant woman, under normal circumstances, feels, not only an emotional and psychological attachment to her potential/future baby, but a biological need to protect the life developing inside her. I know that was the case for me. Although the circumstances were not ideal for me to have a baby when I became pregnant, by the time I confirmed the pregnancy, the life inside me had become the most important part of my life, overshadowing everything else that my life had been. The importance of my own life took a back seat; its primary purpose became the protection of the being I already thought of as my baby, the most precious being on the planet.

A woman or girl whose circumstances - medical, or otherwise - overcome those intense protective feelings built in by nature, is in a better position than I am to judge the best choice among bad choices. That''s right, sometimes we don''t get to choose between good and bad. Sometimes it''s bad or worse.

As important as my son was to me before he was even recognizable as a baby, every embryo is a part of its mother''s body until it is viable outside its mother. If you think the government has the right to control our bodies for a good cause, then I''m sure you would support a law that requires everyone to give up one kidney. Lots of people die waiting for them, and you need only one.

[seah5]

Infanticide Obama was for this in Illinois. "live birth abortions" induce labor, live birth, let it lay to die. He blocked legislation to stop it. I guess because the hospital his wife Michelle worked at was for them and made money off of them. His church also supported it. he said he could not give those who survive treatment it could cause the mother a burdened.

Even after hearing testimony and seeing pictures of it, he still was for it.

As soon as he left Illinois it was passed right through.

He still is a 100% for Abortion. he even said his own daughters should not have to pay for an error. He wants more funding going to abortion.

100% gay marriage and shared benefit packages - this last week talking to the gay reporters.

He is For gun control at the state and local governments making the laws.


Of course Mr Obama Changes his stance and platform on who he is talking to and who he is trying to impress at the moment. That must be for how much money he can get or how many votes he can get at the time or what he is interested in most.

Nothing to believe in with this guy.

[Fareed17]

Barack Obama brings People together with polar opposite and diverse views that can be exchanged in an atmosphere where common denominators can be built upon and consensus established for progress. Hillary the Diva of Divisiveness is the only one who has all the answers. Us Blue Collar Workers must sit by quietly and listen to her dictates and follow them to the letter to maintain our Smiley Faces and not show "Bitterness". On such an Emotional Issue as Abortion Barack has the Leadership to bring "All Sides" into the discussion. Obama 08. Change we can Believe in.

[jack3213]

CLINTONS SAYS: "I will continue to do what I can to reduce the number" of abortions"

REALLY, HOW? YOU CAN''T EVEN CONTROL YOUR OWN HUSBAND!

Obama was asked what type of Supreme Court justice he would appoint. His lengthy answer made no mention of Roe v. Wade, the landmark ruling that legalized abortion.
HIS LENGTHY ANSWERS DON''T EVER SAY ANYTHING AND DO NOT PROVE HE IS COMMITTED TO MAKING DECISIONS.

[craigh9]

While I favor Obama getting the nomination, no one should be surprised that politicians will set aside (or ignore) positions on a given issue in order to support a candidate. Obama is bringing new people into the party and is raising huge sums of money - and everyone knows politicians are attracted to money like mosquitos to a bug light - they will do whatever is necessary to tap into the power money brings. Wait until the Pennsylvannia primary is over and watch the uncommitted super delegates begin to flock to the Obama campaign. - it''s politics 101 folks!