Comments on: White Men Emerge As Dems' Key Swing Vote

Washington Post: Questions Remain Over Obama's Ability To Appeal To Critical Demographic

[crusherking]

Rafterman,

Fair enough. But I think he was calling you a socialist.

[neonink]

Obama wants you to forget what you heard and move on.

Yeah, I''ll move on.

Move on past him.

Get therapy dude.

[ghwab1949]

"Modern-day lynching"? Get real. The good pastor said what he said. He shall answer to a far higher authority than any of us for what he said. Similarly, Mr. Obama will benefit or suffer the consequences of his close personal relationship with the man. He may try to flim-flam his way around it as he always does any political matter. Check out Obama''s voting record to see if he is really just another big government, tax and spend advocate. My guess is that he is and the only "change" he stands for is that he and his wife want to occupy The White House. We have seen and heard this all before.

[Stratmaster7]

I was amazed to hear Obama again contradict his previous statements about this matter. Now he admits he has heard him say things like this in church; whereas in previous interviews he denied it.

I alos don;t get this claim that we just don;t undertand the black experience and the black theology. If a white church or a white person was tlaking about the horrible black people, can we excuse them because that is just part of their "white experience". Hatred is hatred, regardless of the background of the hater.

[crusherking]

I think most of his critics have not had the good fortune of listening, reading, watching or understanding his ideologies. Obama is a freaking Genius and a chance we dare not pass up, especially with the myriad of problems facing this country and escalating this election year - How can Bear Stevens fall ? why is OBL still alive ?
Posted by parrot123 at 12:26 PM

Parrot,

Which of his past accomplishments gives you any indication that he is qualified to handle these problems. Has he ever run a city, county, state or even his own business?? What are his foreign policy creds? Answer.. He has no creds.. And who the heck is Bear Stevens?? Bear Stearns perhaps what you meant? And OBL is alive because Clinton and Bush did not take him out..

[jolievie]

Obama means double standard. For him, it is ok for his associates to make racial comments to the white but when a white Pastor for example for Clinton or Mccann would said something about the black, it is the hurricane that poor black people being racist. The media will be all over the place...Comeone, get a real life

[crusherking]

Posted by rafterman1 at 11:14 AM : Mar 18, 2008

Rafterman, you act as if democrats aren''t guilty of the same things... Astounding.

Democrats

Extreme Socialism/anti american

War as a tool for foreign policy( this is true of every president.. Think about it for a minute)

You are either for us or against us" mentality

Hatred of the press

Spying on its own citizens(clinton and gore did it. research it. its there)

Use of torture and ''illegal'' prisons are parts of every war we have fought.

Hatred of minorities? Ridiculous to blanket statement on this. Your assertion is inflammatory AT BEST! And certainly lacking any logical foundation.

Hatred of welfare? NO not all welfare. Republicans just believe that welfare is a TEMPORARY aid to help you get OFF of Welfare. Seems like the logical position to me.

Demonizing ***. How about don''t ask don''t tell. That doesn''t sound like a ringing endorsement of the gay lifestyle.

Calling people traitors for disagreeing w/ the government.. How about Dems calling anyone that agrees with the gov''t a Nazi? 6 on 1 hand, half a dozen on the other.
Buzzwords use? How about ''change'' ''neocon'' heck I could list 100 of them if i had to..
Persecution complex. Sorta like Bill and Hilary have?

See the point is here that you are simply making up *** to bash Repubs. You are no better and neither is your socialist, UNAmerican party.

[netc4me]

Just what America needs...a black Rush Limbaugh. Keep America divided with violent foul words, thoughtless ranting road-raging rampaging anger.

This is a man of GOD...?
By whose standards?
What Bible does he learn/teach from?
Not the one I read...the King James version.

What''s wrong with uniting America as one strong unit?

[parrot123-2009]

This is from Obama''s speech today :

As such, Rev. Wright''s comments were not only wrong but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity; racially charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems -- two wars, a terrorist threat, a falling economy, a chronic health care crisis and potentially devastating climate change; problems that are neither black or white or Latino or Asian, but rather problems that confront us all.

I think most of his critics have not had the good fortune of listening, reading, watching or understanding his ideologies. Obama is a freaking Genius and a chance we dare not pass up, especially with the myriad of problems facing this country and escalating this election year - How can Bear Stevens fall ? why is OBL still alive ?

[h0rdan]

White, Black, or Green - The real cancer in American churches is blatent!

Jesus said "FEED MY SHEEP"
and then He said it again "FEED MY SHEEP"

Rock concerts and popcorn sermons is not FEEDING MY SHEEP - in order to FEED MY SHEEP a Pastor would have to actually study... Instead all we get is a "burping"

Your failing us - IT DOESN''T MATTER WHO IS IN THE WHITEHOUSE - the BIBLE TEACHES, SO GOES THE BELIEVER, SO GOES THE NATION... Tell ya where America is?

"STUDY TO SHOW YOURSELVES UPPROVED UNTO GOD" ... any Questions?

enjoy your eh-hem ''retirement'' -- funny i don''t remembering the men of scripture -- ''retiring'' from God''s work.... well done!!!!

[parrot123-2009]

Earlier reports, based on tax returns, showed that in 2005 the top 10 percent, top 1 percent and fractions of the top 1 percent enjoyed their greatest share of income since 1928 and 1929.
Posted by homespunlady at 10:48 AM : Mar 18, 2008

I think this is very unfortunate and a very large percentage of Americans don''t know this ...... I remember listening to some of Haggards ministries and always believed him to be very sincere until the truth came out - now imagine all the other millions that he sheparded and you don''t see anyone condemn his congregation, so why are Repugs jumping on this issue - Pat has his Gay problem - Hagee has a lot more problems - then there''s all those protect-Isreal evangelicals ...... what really bothers me is how it seems that the Repug congressman is going after the perceived Liberal pastors with really large audiences - while leaving aside those that are clearly more successful and very proudly Repug - no one seems to talk about that though. Cheers!

[Cas2dy]

Actually, I think it''''s the opposite. Obama knows exactly what''''s going on over there, he just plays the political game. I actually would have been more impressed with Obama if he had said "yeah, that guy''''s a little whacked, but he does good things for the community, so I''''m not going to abandon him".



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Posted by rafterman1 at 11:17 AM

Actually, that is basically what he has said in response. No one is getting it. This is a race of great historical possibilities. The mud is being slung from within his own Party because both he and the "other" candidate have something so valuable to contribute simply because it''s something that has never been an attribute of any of our past Presidents...race and gender difference. Now, if we look at this realistically, we would step over those two particular issues and just see which Democratic leader best posesses the ability to take on this nomination. As it stands, we have gotten lost in the smaller picture, as usual. America, the great.

[jn122736]

The reverend Wright took over a financially failing church and turned it into a huge success by playing on the inborn hurt and resentment of a people who have been unfairly treated as inferiors for over two centuries.

The problem is, he has created more resentment and greater intolerance in the hearts and minds of his congregation, with his over-the-line rhetoric/sermons.

I suspect that if you check his personal fortune/wealth you will find that he has benefited tremendously over the years. That is exactly the same thing EVERY preacher/leader of huge churches have done since the invention of religion.

The actual standards of living for the majority of their parishioners NEVER increase proportionately.

The same can usually be said about most %u201Cgifted%u201D speakers whether they are spiritual leaders or politicians.

It will be interesting to see/hear how Obama tries to spin his way out of this in his up-coming speech. Once you have bitten your tongue, it is difficult to speak clearly for a while.

Of course some folks, apparently, must bite their tongues on regular basis.

I%u2019ve been known to do that myself from time to time.

[pepperp1]

look stop it, there is no reason to teach Hate of Power and country wrapped in the lies of this kind from the religon, hate kills it creates fear and young minds are warped by it, and provided with a why try hopelessness why try they will infect us with Aids anyway, victimization or, why not strike them before the kill us%u2026.its bad its terrorism at its base and its core intent. Ask yourself do you want your children sitting next to a child that%u2019s been thought that your race invented Aids to kill blacks, that they are members of the KKK of A, that they are rich and keep you from having things, that they go to school and get great jobs while you wallow in poverty they crafted for you it%u2019s the same rhetoric fear hate victimization hopelessness preached in Palestine. I do not.

[mosescat]

I am a white female. My husband and I have attended a black church, and we dearly love the people. They are not racist and comments such as those that came from Rev. Wright do not come out of their mouths, because racism is not in their hearts. We live in a country where some blacks get a free racism pass. Those people will never be free of the past, because they are slaves to racism. I feel sorry for them. Jessie Jackson wouldn''t be relevant if he and some like him didn''t keep racism alive. Also, for Obama to say he didn''t know the Rev. Wright that made the kind of racism remarks on videotape is ridiculous. I''ve sat under pastors for a lot less than 20 years, and believe me, you know their views and all their little quirks. If Obama really had no idea about the Reverend''s remarks, he is not very bright and clueless. I don''t think he is either one.

[sigotratando]

In the art & science of propaganda, one salient feature is to take a fist full of "truth" & thread fine non-truths thru it such that they might raise some red flag in you but not enough to ferret out. Then the threads of non-truth become indistinguishable from the truth, becoming an integral part of the fabric.

I''m not saying what the pastor did was purposeful propaganda, but when I read abt passion that ''overflows'' in ''incendiary comments'' characterized as ''sound bites'', I think ''threads''. Cause-orientation is the color of the thread.

What is ''black liberation theology'' if the cause isn''t focused on the history of blacks as slaves & finding continued victimization all around. What does ''being black'' mean beyond skin color if it isn''t a reference to a shared & nurtured perspective. Most of my black friends have seen that what they had cherished as ''being black'' was actually a cherishing of tradition-enhanced victimization & the desire to remain set apart from the historic victimizers. Once realized, they were able to really enjoy ''being black'' & African without the baggage.

I understand something of how cultures arise & don''t begrudge a class of victims their desire to be recognized as a people set apart from the victimizers. But I think the impetus for the desire has become self-sustaining.

Without knowing the substance of the sermons, we can''t judge the other, perhaps overwhelming, good the pastor may have achieved in the arena of social causes. How much better w/o the thread.

[mosescat]

I am a white female. My husband and I have attended a black church, and we dearly love the people. They are not racist and comments such as those that came from Rev. Wright do not come out of their mouths, because racism is not in their hearts. We live in a country where some blacks get a free racism pass. Those people will never be free of the past, because they are slaves to racism. I feel sorry for them. Jessie Jackson wouldn''t be relevant if he and some like him didn''t keep racism alive. Also, for Obama to say he didn''t know the Rev. Wright that made the kind of racism remarks on videotape is ridiculous. I''ve sat under pastors for a lot less than 20 years, and believe me, you know their views and all their little quirks. If Obama really had no idea about the Reverend''s remarks, he is not very bright and clueless. I don''t think he is either one.

[mosescat]

I am a white female. My husband and I have attended a black church, and we dearly love the people. They are not racist and comments such as those that came from Rev. Wright do not come out of their mouths, because racism is not in their hearts. We live in a country where some blacks get a free racism pass. Those people will never be free of the past, because they are slaves to racism. I feel sorry for them. Jessie Jackson wouldn''t be relevant if he and some like him didn''t keep racism alive. Also, for Obama to say he didn''t know the Rev. Wright that made the kind of racism remarks on videotape is ridiculous. I''ve sat under pastors for a lot less than 20 years, and believe me, you know their views and all their little quirks. If Obama really had no idea about the Reverend''s remarks, he is not very bright and clueless. I don''t think he is either one.

[homespunlady]

When your political platform is unpopular you attack your opponent''s PRIVATE LIFE.

When THAT DOESN''T work you ATTACK EVERYBODY AROUND your opponent and paint the opponent with ANY possible SMEAR you can find on your opponent''s friends family workers etc..

WHEN THAT DOESN''T WORK RIG THE ELECTION with DIRTY ELECTION PROCEDURES.

Sound familiar?

And they wonder WHY America has lost it''s RESPECT in the world...

Here''s a NOVEL IDEA!!!
LOOK AT REAL ISSUES!!!

But then again the ECONOMY CRASHING DOESN''T MATTER!

NEARING the 4,000 DEAD SOLDIERS -OUR fathers, sons, daughters and even Mothers serving DON''T matter!

INFRASTRUCTURE FAILURE all over this country DOESN''T matter!!

THE CRISIS OF CORRUPTION in our TOP POLITICAL LEADERS DOESN''T MATTER!!!

THE LOSS of EVERY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT we have DOESN''T MATTER!!!

We''re now down to MUDSLINGING, NAME-CALLING and "PLAYGROUND POLITICS" compliments of our INFANTILE MEDIA and their PANDERING TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER OWNERS.

[hwy71so]

MISTER Wright, needs to read the Bible from time to time. He needs to read it to learn, not to teach. Before one can teach, one has to learn.

I''ve seen his type too many times to count. They''re whole status as preacher is based on attitude and a loud voice. Their words are nonsense and do not come from the Word of Truth; the Bible. They play on the emotions of those looking for hope, they play on their fears.

It is totally pathetic one can take a message so pure and great and turn it into racism and hate-mongering as is demonstrated in Wright''s videos.