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Washington Post: Former "Co-President" Runs On Bill Clinton's Record And Her White House Experience

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The Clinton Legacy - Part 3:

CAMPAIGN FINANCE INVESTIGATION

- As of June 2000, the Justice Department listed 25 people indicted and 19 convicted because of the 1996 Clinton-Gore fundraising scandals.
- According to the House Committee on Government Reform in September 2000, 79 House and Senate witnesses asserted the Fifth Amendment in the course of investigations into Gore''s last fundraising campaign.
-James Riady entered a plea agreement to pay an $8.5 million fine for campaign finance crimes. This was a record under campaign finance laws.

CLINTON MACHINE CRIMES FOR WHICH CONVICTIONS WERE OBTAINED

Drug trafficking (3), racketeering, extortion, bribery (4), tax evasion, kickbacks, embezzlement (2), fraud (12), conspiracy (5), fraudulent loans, illegal gifts (1), illegal campaign contributions (5), money laundering (6), perjury, obstruction of justice.

HISTORICAL CONTEXT

- Number of independent counsel inquiries since the 1978 law was passed: 19
- Number that have produced indictments: 7
- Number that produced more convictions than the Starr investigation: 1
- Median length of investigations that led to convictions: 44 months
- Length of Starr-Ray investigation: 69 months.
- Total cost of the Starr investigation (3/00) $52 million
- Total cost of the Iran-Contra investigation: $48.5 million
- Total cost to taxpayers of the Madison Guarantee failure: $73 million

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The clinton legacy - part 2:

STARR-RAY INVESTIGATION

- Number of Starr-Ray investigation convictions or guilty pleas (including one governor, one associate attorney general and two Clinton business partners): 14
- Number of Clinton Cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 5
- Number of Reagan cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 4
- Number of top officials jailed in the Teapot Dome Scandal: 3

CRIME STATS

- Number of individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes: 47
- Number of these convictions during Clinton''s presidency: 33
- Number of indictments/misdemeanor charges: 61
- Number of congressional witnesses who have pleaded the Fifth Amendment, fled the country to avoid testifying, or (in the case of foreign witnesses) refused to be interviewed: 122

SMALTZ INVESTIGATION

- Guilty pleas and convictions obtained by Donald Smaltz in cases involving charges of bribery and fraud against former Agriculture Secretary Mike Espy and associated individuals and businesses: 15
- Acquitted or overturned cases (including Espy): 6
- Fines and penalties assessed: $11.5 million
- Amount Tyson Food paid in fines and court costs: $6 million

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The Clinton Legacy - Part 1:

RECORDS SET

- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- First president to be held in contempt of court
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court

[rowdytexan2]

Posted by Prinzowhales at 09:28 AM : Dec 24, 2007

I understand where you''re coming from, Sir. But I also believe that the republican Neocons will do ANYTHING to discredit Hillary Clinton right now so as to get another Neocon in the White House.

I don''t need to read articles from some whacked out internet rags spewing this republican garbage.

If you choose to believe it, then stand by it. I''m not buying into it.

Mr. Obama does not show me a candidate strong enough to one, win the general election, and two, strong enough to push through the radical changes we HAVE to have, or to fight the fight that''s coming up.

Once he''s more seasoned and has the backing and experience, and proven authority to get things done, then some day, I think he will be a fine president.

However, the words in the above paragraph will never pass my fingertips in regard to John Edwards.

[julianbook]

Hillary is a dunce. Bill was elected promising universal health care. The Congress was democratic. The public was behind it. The economy could support it. Yet her program was 100% failure. She had another 6 years to try to revive it. Nothing happened. Can anybody actually be that incompetent? Now there''s an election, she wants to be entrusted with healthcare again - with an unworkable plan to force down people''s throats - a windfall to the insurance lobbies that fund her. She flunked healthcare. She flunked Iraq. She flunked Iran. She even flunked the Washington bar exam, and is a serial failure as a housewife. But wants to be your president. She woman is air-headed, dizzy, corrupt, dishonest, and possibly senile - given the way she flip flops and can''t get anything right. Obama is a brilliant and visionary leader with a powerful brain. He graduated first in his class at Harvard. That''s not easy. He''s a uniter that gets all the difficult things right.

[julianbook]

It is time for democrats to rally behind someone who can win, otherwise we''ll end up with a lemon candidate like Hillary and lose the election. Hillary is simply a transparent attempt of Bill to spit on the American constitution and get a third or fourth term. The Clintons disgraced the presidency and caused the democrats to lose the White House, Congress and the Supreme Court. In addition, Bill''s failure to get Bin Laden when he could has led to about a million people killed or maimed in the US, Afghanistan and Iraq - and nothing has been accomplished - except for bankrupting the country while the oil and defense companies get richer. This was Hillary''s statement in 2002 when Barack was denouncing Bush''s war aims: %u201CIn the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members %u2026 It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.%u201D Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002. We need to get behind the wise leader that can win and unite the country - and lead us out of the global mess. Vote for Obama.

[infidel_us]

Since the beotch doesn''t have a ''legacy'' or even accomplishments she can point to, why not ride the ''legacy'' of your philandering husband?

Her downfall is not far away!

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Published on Monday, December 24, 2007 by The Times Online

The Torture Tape Fingering Bush As a War Criminal
by Andrew Sullivan

Almost all of the time, the Washington I know and live in is utterly unrelated to the Washington you see in the movies. The government is far more incompetent and amateur than the masterminds of Hollywood darkness.1224 02

There are no rogue CIA agents engaging in illegal black ops and destroying evidence to protect their political bosses. The kinds of scenario cooked up in Matt Damon%u2019s riveting Bourne series are fantasy compared with the mundane, bureaucratic torpor of the Brussels on the Potomac.

And then you read about the case of Abu Zubaydah. He is a seriously bad guy - someone we should all be glad is in custody. A man deeply involved in Al-Qaeda, he was captured in a raid in Pakistan in March 2002 and whisked off to a secret interrogation, allegedly in Thailand.

President George Bush claimed Zubaydah was critical in identifying Khalid Sheikh Mohammed as the mastermind behind 9/11. The president also conceded that at some point the CIA, believing Zubaydah was withholding information, %u201Cused an alternative set of procedures%u201D, which were %u201Csafe and lawful and necessary%u201D.

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Zubaydah was waterboarded. That much we know - it was confirmed recently by a former CIA agent, John Kiriakou, who even used the plain English word %u201Ctorture%u201D to describe what was done. But we know little else for sure. We do know there was deep division within the American government about Zubaydah%u2019s interrogation, and considerable debate about his reliability.

Ron Suskind%u2019s masterful 2006 book The One Percent Doctrine recorded FBI sources as saying that Zubaydah was in fact mentally unstable and tangential to Al-Qaeda%u2019s plots, and that he gave reams of unfounded information under torture - information that led law-enforcement bodies in the US to raise terror alert levels, rushing marshals and police to shopping malls, bridges and other alleged targets as Zubaydah tried to get the torture to stop. No one disputes that Zubaydah wrote a diary - and that it was written in the words of three personalities, none of them his own.

A former FBI agent who was involved in the interrogation, Daniel Coleman, said last week that the CIA knew Al-Qaeda%u2019s leaders all believed Zubaydah %u201Cwas crazy, and they knew he was always on the *** phone. You think they%u2019re going to tell him anything?%u201D Even though preliminary, legal interrogation gave the US good - though not unique - information, the CIA still asked for and received permission to torture him in pursuit of more data and leads.

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The Washington Post reported that %u201Ccurrent and former officials%u201D said the torture lasted weeks and even, according to some, months, and that the techniques included hypothermia, long periods of standing, sleep deprivation and multiple sessions of waterboarding. All these %u201Calternative procedures%u201D, as Bush described them, are illegal under US law and the Geneva conventions. They are, in fact, war crimes. And they were once all treated by the US as war crimes when they were perpetrated by the Nazis. Waterboarding has been found to be a form of torture in various American legal cases.

And that is where the story becomes interesting. The Bush administration denies any illegality at all, insists it does not %u201Ctorture%u201D but refuses to say whether it believes waterboarding is torture or not. But hundreds of hours of videotape were recorded of Zubaydah%u2019s incarceration and torture. That evidence would settle the dispute over the extremely serious question of whether the president of the United States authorised war crimes.

And now we have found out that all the tapes have been destroyed.

[hillary4sout]

HILLARY 4 PRESIDENT 08 GOD SAVE OUR FIRST LADY ...............GO HILLARY GIVE EN HILL........GAL. HILLARY 08

[hillary4sout]

HILLARY O8 IT''S GONNA BE GREAT.. JUST CANT WAIT 4 THE GENERAL ELECTION HILLARY THE VOICE OF CHANGE AND EXPERIENCE LEADERSHIP AND QUALITY READY ON DAY ONE TO PUT US BACK WHERE WE BELONG WE MEN LOVE HER AND SHE CAN WIN MEN VOTE TO TRUST ME I TALK TO 51 MEN LAST WEEK OUT AN ABOUT AN THEY SAY THEY LIKE HER VIEWS ON TAKING THIS COUNTRY BACK SO IF YOU ARE A OBAMA LOVER AND YOU THINK SHE CANT WIN THINK AGAIN OBAMA HAS NO EXPERIENCE ASK YOUR SELF AFTER 2 YEARS WHAT HAS HE DONE HE CANT EVEN GET SUPPORT IN HIS HOME STATE SAVE A TALK SHOW HOST THINK ABOUT IT THIS IS OUR COUNTRY NOT A TALK SHOW THINK WHO WILL RULE THE USA AN THE WORLD ..........NOT JUST THE HOOD... MUST YOU PUT OSAMA IN THE WHITE HOUSE TO STOP MUSLIUM AGRESSION! NOT! WE KNOW BETTER DONT WE AMERICA! NOW WAKE UP !

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Hillary is the ONE. SHE is the only ONE who can restore our greatness and respect. I am 1000% in her corner.

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Hillary is the ONE. Only SHE can bring us back and restore our glory. I''m 1000% behind her.

[hillary4sout]

SAD SAD HATERS YOU ALL ARE OF THE 2 GREATEST PEOPLE THIS COUNTRY HAS PRODUCED IN THE PLITICAL ARENA. YOU CANT FIND ANYTHING ELSE TO TALK ABOUT SO YOU LIKE JUDAS BETRAY THE VALUED TREASURES LIKE BILL AN HILLARY WE IN THE SOUTH NO BETTER AN TO HILL WITH THE REST OF YOU THAT ARE TO DUM TO SEE IT GOD SAVE OUR LADY AN NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE USA HILLARY 08 " SHAKE THEM HATERS OFF CHILD!!!!!!!!!!

[trueprogress]

AS a Progressive and a Genuine first generation Feminist who has given up family to fight for the rights of women, I support Hillary 100 %. I do not demand that other women vote for her, even though you have reaped the political gains due to sacrifice of people like me, and Hillary. Think of what she has had to put up with and go through to get where she is today ! She deserves to be our President.
1. She fights for children.
2. She can work with Repubicans and be nice.
3. She is smart.

[prinzowhales]

Rowdy Texan2- "President Bush is quietly providing back-channel advice to Hillary Rodham Clinton, urging her to modulate her rhetoric so she can effectively prosecute the war in Iraq if elected president."

http://www.examiner.com/a-953145~Examiner_Exclusive__Bush_quietly_advising_Hillary_Clinton__top_Democrats.html

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That is pretty plain...it is from an interview...It certainly is not being emphasized by the mainstream media so as not to discredit Hillary in the eyes of those who--as they did in the 2006 Congressional elections--believe that the Democrats were going to end the war and bring the troops home. Is it any wonder she is tops in defense contractor contributions? Is it any wonder she is getting a significant share of the Israel-first supporters? Do you think she would be getting the bucks if she was not in the Neo-Con corner as she has been from the beginning?

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Posted by Prinzowhales at 07:37 PM : Dec 23, 2007

"Staff Josh Bolten said Bush has %u201Cbeen urging candidates:"

Good Gawd, man, what kind of rags are you reading...Bush was giving an interview for a freaking book...

And his staff is claiming he''s influencing democrats...what better way to discredit a candidate that put out Bull ***** like this...

You want me to believe this c/rap??? Did you actually read this article, or just the dang headline?

[rowdytexan2]

Posted by nodemotwit at 09:04 PM : Dec 23, 2007

Well, let''s talk experience, ok?

Two ivy league schools making "C"s-God knows if he ever wrote a thesis, passed an exam (records pro''bly locked under executive protection)

Plonked around the US during Viet Nam hiding in the NGuard, training on a whacked plane that would NEVER be sent to Viet Nam, never completed his service-doubt if he did three jumping jacks

Wildcatted in Midland, chasing females and doing coke-bankrupted venture-paid out by Daddy''s pals

Bankrupted again-paid off by Daddy''s pals

Daddy''s pals bought a baseball team-almost bankrupted a city getting a new stadium-Daddy''s pals paid again...

Got cleaned up and married Laura...stayed boozed up

Daddy props him up and buys him a governorship in Texas-almost fricks the whole state up-left us with the Rick Perry legacy, fer Gawd''s sakes

Neocons decide to use him for stooge, prep him for the White House to promote New World Order

Neocons buy off judges, he%u2019s elected.

Enuff said about qualifications and experience?

The rest of the story:

Lied, cheated, caused the murder of millions under false pretences, destroyed US finances, tax cuts for the rich, destroyed US credibility, wants to start WWIII-another country that doesn''t have a frigging nuke-got another $40 billion to play around with cuz he threw a tantrum again backed up by Daddy''s pals

Now let''s talk about "the seasoned experience US voters have traditionally depended upon."

[macusweil]

A Special Prayer for George W Bush & Di ck Cheney to Recite:

"Knowledge becomes evil if the aim be not virtuous. What it lies in our power to do, it lies in our power not to do. We are what we repeatedly do.
lie, lie lie, go to war based on lies, on your own turn spies, torture those you oppose, leave those ravaged by storm to die.)

The measure of a man is what he does with power.
The aim of the rich is to secure great wealth, and to send others to fight their wars. Show great aim, claim great support for our troops but leave them to rot in mold infested hospitals in worst of luck and deny them care when you can to save a buck. The neo.con is eager to make boasts of great faith, yet kills, steals and tortures to make his name. He enthusiastically engages in deception, yet wants others to have affection for him. He conducts himself like an animal using dogs to brutalize, electrodes to horrify, menstrual blood to shame. The foundation of every state is the education of its youth, so teach them fake religion and disdain for science, leave every child behind. The wicked is willing to torture, execute and hold without charge or trial and lie all the while.

Deny your wrong doings even when caught in plain sight for the public forgets and proves extreme stupidity, selfishness, and cowardice can prevail.
Cheat, steal and lie until you are old, leave nothing but a destroyed military, record deficits, pain and suffering and your friend''s pockets lined with gold.