Comments on: Moral Issues Leave Black Evangelicals Torn

Washington Post: GOP Seeks Sizable Segment Of Black Voters Based On Common Ground On Social Issues

[eastprophet]

RON PAUL WILL PRESERVE SOCIAL SECURITY
Our nation''s promise to its seniors, once considered a sacred trust, has become little more than a tool for politicians to scare retirees while robbing them of their promised benefits to pay for militarization. Today, the Social Security system is both broke and broken. Those in the system are seeing their benefits dwindle due to higher taxes, increasing inflation, and irresponsible military spending. The proposed solutions, ranging from lower benefits to higher taxes to increasing the age of eligibility, are NOT solutions; they are betrayals. Imposing any tax on Social Security benefits is unfair and illogical. In Congress, Dr. Paul introduced the Senior Citizens Tax Elimination Act, which repeals ALL taxes on Social Security benefits, to eliminate political theft of our seniors'' income and raise their standard of living. Solvency is the key to keeping our promise to our seniors, and he introduced the Social Security Preservation Act (H.R. 219) to ensure that money paid into the system is ONLY used for Social Security. Also, it is fundamentally unfair to give benefits to anyone who has not paid into the system. The Social Security for Americans Only Act, which Ron Paul supported, ends the drain on Social Security caused by illegal aliens seeking the fruits of your labor. In short, if we stop our runaway military spending overseas, there will be plenty of money available to keep Social Security solvent for decades to come.

[tbweb]

Religion and Politics don''t mix! The separation between Church and State is not just a good idea, its the ultimate in common sense, too many religions like too many Gods spoil the meal. The my God is better than your God and my religion is better than your religion madness! Join ours or die! ***

[hosers22]

So the evangelicals are going to support Democrats because of why?
1. Socialism - All I got out of this article is that Black Evangelicals are willing to overlook abortion and same *** marriage, because getting the government handout is a more important "moral" issue.
2. "Discrimination is Immoral". Really? then why are Evangelicals and the "Christian" movement so dead set against Romney becaue he is Mormon?

[keithle1]

Nothing more important to worry about than "same-*** marriage"?

[b-easy63]

Perhaps if we would all crack open our Bible from time to time, there would be a little less self-righteousness to throw around.

Posted by BCBBKAKE at 06:24 PM : Nov 26, 2007


And if so called Christians actually understood what they read in the bible and lived their lives accordingly, then snakes like Bush would not so easily slither around and be caressed and mistaken for Christians by them. Most aren''t Christians, they are Christian wannabees with no grounding, comprehension or understanding either in faith or the word.

[b-easy63]

The biggest mistake that some in Black or any other Church makes--is believing that when someone who wants something from you--agrees with you and pretends to believe like you do---that they actually do.

God gave everyone a little thing called common sense and observation--if they used that over the past few years; besides the homosexuality, hypocrisy, adultry and stealing, surely the lies, lust for war (war mongering), torture and other unsavory things should have let them know that the Republican party is no more saved or sanctified than the Beast with the 3 sixes, himself. Get a clue , so called Christians--lest you be deceived.

[Krazcarl]

blacks and the gospel this is interesting

[bcbbkake]

Here''s a moral issue: Judge not, lest ye be judged. How about this one: We all fall short of the Glory of God. Perhaps if we would all crack open our Bible from time to time, there would be a little less self-righteousness to throw around.

[kansas1946]

"You don''''t have someone who is a Christian evangelical like Bush to really revitalize the black evangelicals this time around," said John C. Green, senior fellow at the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life.
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LMAO. Well, PT Barnum said it best. "There is a sucker born every minute." And whoever thought that Bush was a true Christian is one of those suckers.

[PollM]

Pastor Lyle Dukes of Harvest Life Changers Church in Woodbridge, a member of Jackson''s group who supported Bush in 2004. "What we think is moral is not only the defense of marriage, but we also think equal education is a moral issue. We think discrimination is immoral."

Do you believe discrimination is an immoral issue?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1091

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[pakaal]

"You don''t have someone who is a Christian evangelical like Bush to really revitalize the black evangelicals this time around," said John C. Green, senior fellow at the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life.
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Yeah, and look how much good Bush did for those voters once he was in office. So well that one of his long-term ''faith advisors'' David Kuo wrote a book last year ("Tempting Faith") detailing his many disappointments with the Bush administration. Kuo came to the conclusion (as does everyone who comes in contact with Washington politics) that "Compassionate Conservatism" is nothing more than an attempt to get votes by appealing to Christians social mores. They don''t actually care what your issues are, people, they just want to get into office.

[kansas1946]

Pastor Harry R. Jackson Jr. will often exhort his congregation to "stand against" abortion and same-*** marriage. "You are on the battlefield in a culture war," he''ll say, urging his listeners to help serve as the "moral compass of America."
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How ignorant. These two issues have nothing to do with American families, and or moral issues affecting American families.
If they want to worry about moral issues, lets look at millions of children without access to affordable health care, and millions of their parents that can''t affor health care. Let''s look at corporations outsourcing American jobs for no reason other than greed. Let''s look at a Republican adminsitration that has trashed the consitution, freedoms that were fought for, and turned the US into an evil empire that supports torture, turns their back on habias corpus, due process, right to a speedy trial, etc. If the black congregations want to look a morals, Republican candidates are the wrong place to look.

[kcflood]

Religious conservatives need to grow a brain

[denn034]

Add "are torn" to the end of my last posting.

[denn034]

One can appreciate why the evangelical black community with their conservative values and support for the Democrat''s support for the poor (i.e., a support that leaves them mired in poverty) and racial issues (i.e., something on which the Republicans can do better).

[Krazcarl]

does anyone care???this is garbage news..

[bestprophet]

RON PAUL WINS BIG IN NATIONAL POLL
The results of a nationwide telephone poll, announced by Zogby on November 19th, reveals that Americans want to vote for a candidate who protects liberty; who wants to shrink government; and who wants to immediately withdraw our troops from Iraq - positions of Congressman Ron Paul. As part of a blind-bio, spread poll, likely voters (from all parties) were provided with descriptions of four different Republican candidates and asked to choose who they would vote for based on each one''s resume and political platform. 33% of pollees chose Ron Paul, 19% chose Rudy Giuliani, 15% chose Mitt Romney and 13% chose Fred Thompson. The results clearly illustrate that the country is crying out for Ron Paul, which is why mainstream media has launched a public relations offensive to marginalize his accomplishments and suppress the Congressman''s name recognition. In a seperate question, over 49% of pollees said they would be more likely to vote for a candidate who would begin an immediate withdrawal from Iraq. In fact, Ron Paul won in every demographic of this poll including, but not limited to, religious voters, NASCAR fans, military families, African-Americans, etc..

[bestprophet]

RON PAUL FIGHTS FOR THE RIGHT TO LIFE
Unlike Clinton and the so-called GOP frontrunner, Giuliani, Dr. Paul fights for the right of an innocent, unborn child. He believes the right to life is at the heart of the American ideals of liberty. His professional and legislative record demonstrates his strong commitment to this pro-life principle. In 40 years of medical practice, he never once considered performing an abortion, nor did he ever find abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman. In Congress, he authored legislation that seeks to define life as beginning at conception (HR 1094). He is also the prime sponsor of HR 300, which would negate the effect of Roe v Wade by removing the ability of federal courts to interfere with state legislation to protect life. This is a practical, direct approach to ending federal court tyranny which threatens our constitutional republic and has caused the deaths of 45 million of the unborn. He also authored HR 1095, which prevents federal funds to be used for population control. Many other GOP candidates, except Giuliani, talk about being pro-life. Ron Paul took direct action to restore protection for the unborn. As an OB/GYN doctor, he delivered over 4,000 babies. That experience made him an unshakable foe of abortion. Many of you may have his book, Challenge To Liberty, which champions the idea that there cannot be liberty in a society unless the rights of all innocents are protected. Ron Paul respects the dignity of human life.

[bestprophet]

RON PAUL IS THE NEW WAY
What we need is a President who will show us the way. Not the old way. Not the same way, but a NEW way. Think about this for a minute. What if we pulled all of our troops out of South Korea? They''ve been there for 50+ years. What if we quit worrying about Iran, but instead, realized that its having a nuclear weapon will not mean the end of the world? What if we pulled all of our troops out of the Middle-East, and brought them all home? What if we realistically addressed the National Debt, and paid attention to REALLY DOING SOMETHING about stopping illegal immigration? These are the ideas of Presidential candidate, Ron Paul. He''s a ten term Congressman and a physician who has delivered over 4,000 babies. He''s an intellectual who''s published four books, three of which are devoted entirely to sound economics and one to foreign policy. He was raised on a dairy farm in Pennsylvania as a pious Lutheran, but now he attends a Baptist church. Paul is given to mulling things over morally. Whenever he recollects the helicopter pilots he treated as an Air Force Flight Surgeon (Captain) during the Vietnam War, a war which he now says was "totally unnecessary and illegal," he laments, "They were gung-ho. I''ve often thought about how many of those people never came back." Candidates with the high level of personal integrity and proven track record of adherence to The Constitution, Congressman Paul has always demonstrated only come around once in a lifetime, if we''re lucky.

[rx7ward]

This just proves that evangelicals are complete morons, regardless of color. My question is, did becoming an evangelical make you stupid, or were you stupid first, which led to the terrible decision to become an evangelical?

If the only way you know to feel good about yourself is to s**t on someone else, you need to examine your life and your values.