Comments on: Is Waterboarding Torture? Mukasey Is Mum

Doubts Raised On Attorney General Nomination Following Tortured Testimony

[nirak2-2009]

I wonder what Guiliani would say if he heard our troops are getting waterboarded.
I bet you, he would call it torture.
Guiliani you are a LIAR, CHEAT AND CROOK

[mudrose-2009]

Posted by thefarrier

Rubbish!

[usaprophet]

Ron Paul does not support secret offshore prisons like the one in Guantanamo, where our government tortures prisoners, who have no right to redress of grievance, or to writ of habeus corpus. Ron Paul promises he will close these "illegal prisons" down. He wouldn''t necessarily just release the prisoners either. He said he would bring them to detainment facilities on U.S. soil where they would be entitled to an attorney and to their day in court--American Justice. Others agree with Paul. "Essentially, we have shaken the belief that the world had in America''s justice system by keeping a place like Guantanamo open and creating things like a military commission," former U.S. Secretary of State, Colin Powell recently said. "What can I do about it," you ask? Support the 2008 candidacy of Dr. Ron Paul for President. I believe he''s our only hope to restore peace, prosperity and freedom in this country. Throw-out the New World Order Fascists and their Socialist comrades in crime. Both groups consider themselves above the Law. Vote for a REAL American who will restore peace, prosperity and freedom to this country. Presidential candidates with the integrity and bearing the positive message of Dr. Paul only come around only once in a lifetime, if we''re lucky. The cause of freedom is too important to let anything stand in the way of our participation in this 21st Century political revolution. Don''t let the opportunity to support Dr. Paul slip by.

[usbrit-2009]

I wonder what you would consider "torture" if your kids'''' lives depended on that information.

Posted by s1ckd09 at 02:40 PM : Oct 29, 2007

No, in that case I''d probably read up real quick on that old I.R.A. standard, "kneecapping."

"Seriously now Folks." Here we''re talking government sanctioned torture, which, in my opinion, is a whole different kettle of fish. As was noted earlier (several pages ago on this thread) WB''ing was a considered a war crime by the American prosecutors after WWII. Therefore, how can this government say it''s OK when we do it, but it wasn''t when the Gestapo did it, and retain any credibility with the rest of the world?

[s1ckd09]

The simple truth is that people such as toldyouso and myself are perfectly open to listening to alternate opinions and/or philosophies. It''''s just we have decided, after much deliberation, that people who still believe anything the neo-cons say are completely, 100% wrong about everything!!

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Posted by USBrit at 02:38 PM : Oct 29, 2007

Well, at least you admit to being close-minded.

[s1ckd09]

I seriously doubt you would welcome a false accusation and someone coming to your home to torture you or your kids to force you to tell them the "truth" for any reason.

Posted by toldyouso21 at 10:44 AM : Oct 29, 2007

I also seriously doubt that if a person told you that your kids were going to die in 2 hours, that you wouldn''t take every means necessary to find out from that person where your kids are. Or would you just say, "No, my kids'' lives aren''t as important as making the person who can prevent it believe that they are drwoning." I wonder what you would consider "torture" if your kids'' lives depended on that information.

[usbrit-2009]

Posted by s1ckd09 at 02:15 PM : Oct 29, 2007

The fact that you cannot accept people with opinions other than your own as nothing more than "zombies", "empty, mindless vessels", "unable to think for themselves", subject to "ludicrous, evil, heinous, insipid and ridiculous" thoughts from "the bad guys", shows what an elitist snob you are, and how you yourself are incapable of grasping the simple truth.

The simple truth is that people such as toldyouso and myself are perfectly open to listening to alternate opinions and/or philosophies. It''s just we have decided, after much deliberation, that people who still believe anything the neo-cons say are completely, 100% wrong about everything!!

[s1ckd09]

YOu treat others the way you want to be treated. I personally do not and would not want to be tortured in any way--therefore, I am against torturing another person, --no matter what they may plan to do.
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Posted by toldyouso21 at 10:44 AM : Oct 29, 2007

Treating someone else as you would like to be treated has nothing to do with torture. It has no effect on what someone who uses torture for the sake of torture. Do you think the Taliban or Al-Qaeda care what countries torture and which ones don''t? You can bet on one thing, all that someone has to do while in U.S. custody is CLAIM they were tortured, and they are automatically assumed to be telling the truth, and the U.S. is automatically condemned because of it.
I am against torture, because I agree that information obtained from torture is most often not accurate. However, interrogation techniques that are designed to break down a person''s resolve and defenses are effective. Regardless, false information serves NO purpose to anyone, as it wastes time and resources, so any practice that produces false information makes no sense. So then the debate has to become if certain techniques that are effective are classified as "torture", what do you do? One, we don''t know those techniques, and we don''t know the success or failure rate. So how can we even have a serious debate on this?

[usaprophet]

You get the sense that the country is desperate for someone to show us the way. Not the old way. Not the same way, but a NEW WAY. Think about this for a minute. What if we pulled all of our troops out of South Korea. They''ve been there for 50 years. Tens of thousands of them. What if we quit worring about Iran, and instead, realized that its having a nuclear weapon will not mean the end of the world. What if we pulled all of our troops out of Iraq, and brought them all home. What if we realistically addressed the National Debt, and paid attention to the huge burden we are placing on generations to come. Guess whose Ideas these are. They are the ideas Republican presidential candidate, Dr. Ron Paul. He''s a ten term Congressman and a physician who has delivered over 4,000 babies. Ron Paul has been married to the same woman for more than 50 years, which means he doesn''t come to the race with the sort of baggage some of the other candidates for the White House do. Paul is given to mulling things over morally. His family was pious and Lutheran; two of his brothers became ministers. Paul%u2019s five children were baptized in the Episcopal church, but he now attends a Baptist one. He doesn%u2019t travel alone with women, and once dressed down an aide for using the expression "red-light district" in front of a female colleague. I support the 2008 candidacy of Dr. Ron Paul for President of The United States. There''s a man with Presidential-like integrity and principles. Ron Paul has my vote.

[usbrit-2009]

Toldyouso21 - I totally agree with all your points. Yes, WB''ing is torture - visit the ex-Khmer Rouge prison of Tuol Sleng in Pnomh Penh, you''ll find plenty of examples of machinery for WB''ing. Yes, use of torture puts us on the slippery slope down towards the level of our enemies - we should be above atrocities. I love your description of the acolytes of Limpbore, O''Wrongly and That Blond as "empty, mindless vessels" (wish I''d come up with that one). Finally this latest idiot SendReidPelo is quite something. He calls everyone a Nazi when it is he himself who is one. He''d have been AH''s first choice as chief of the Gestapo if he''d been around in ''36. If you going to call the looney left anything, at least call them socialists. And before I get hammered for that, yes I do know that the Nazis started off as the "National Socialist German Workers'' Party," however, the aim of the party was much more fascist than it''s socio-communist name would suggest.