Comments on: Who Were Those Clinton-McCain Crossover Voters?

[LostInaFog]

I think I''m missing something...

If Obama won by 53% to 46% and Hillary would have won (theoretically), by 52% to 41%, that means that her entry into the race over Obama would have pushed many more folks to vote 3rd party? Up from 1% to 7%. And only a small number of those were Obama voters?

I may be missing something here...
David

[LostInaFog]

I think I''m missing something...

If Obama won by 53% to 46% and Hillary would have won (theoretically), by 52% to 41%, that means that her entry into the race over Obama would have pushed many more folks to vote 3rd party? Up from 1% to 7%. And only a small number of those were Obama voters?

I may be missing something here...
David

[brundage3]

How telling.

When a news story reports something one disagrees with, (smething contrary to a pre-concieved notion) and epithets fly. "Totally Bogus!" "This is total BS!" etc.

The venting is an attempt to feel better or superior or to hide a disappointment of some kind.

Good heavens!

Try just disagreeing. Give us you thoughts instead of these more child like "feelings" like "BOGUS!"
and "BS!"

But wait,,, If you did that,,, you would want to sign your name! Heaven forbid. Clever little handles make it easy to be shouting instead of thinking. BOGUS BS to me though!

[david936]

Thank goodness for real votes. If we had gone with polling Hillary would have been the Democratic nominee. This is a silly poll.

[notopennshut]

Clinton might have lost to McCain. After all, those who turned out for Obama might not have shown up. So what''s the big deal?? Obama beat Clinton and he swept McCain. Enough of these sore losers rhetoric!!

[jerrydenim]

These numbers are totally bogus. It''s impossible to draw conclusions about a hypothetical McCain/Clinton match up from the electorate that showed up to decide the Obama/McCain contest.

First, the electorate that showed up for the actual election almost cetainly contained many young and African-American voters that would have stayed home in the make-believe Clinton/McCain matchup came out to vote simply due to enthusiasm generated by Obama''s prescense on the ticket.

Also this survey starts with the faulty assumption that many McCain voters would have voted for Hillary if given a chance but how many of the Barack Obama voters they''re assuming would have voted for Hillary would have instead voted McCain instead of Obama in a Clinton/McCain matchup? Hillary did have the highest negatives of anyone seriously persuing the Presidency if I''m not mistaken.

Last, Hillary never had to campaign against John McCain so there''s no way to tell how she would have fared in a head to head matchup after all of her dirty laundry was brought back up and voters were reminded why they had "Clinton fatigue" after the first Clinton White House.

Total B.S.

[roz080450]

Zurdeee, that''s provided that you have anything in your wallet to hold on too. Bush has not left us with pocket change. I have more respect for the pure biggot! Just admit that it didn''t matter what Obama was saying you would not have voted for him any way. Because he''s Black! You and the rest of the old timers feel that way. But you know what? The young people spoke this election. Each year more and more of the old timers with that racist mentality are dying out and the young people have not adopted these negative views. What I pray for is that each election the dynamics change more and more. I would love to see a Hispanic, Asian, Jewish, Italian, President. I want the face of U.S. President to change more and more. This country is the home of many races.

[jerrydenim]

These numbers are totally bogus. It''s impossible to draw conclusions about a hypothetical McCain/Clinton match up from the electorate that showed up to decide the Obama/McCain contest.

First, the electorate that showed up for the actual election almost cetainly contained many young and African-American voters that would have stayed home in the make-believe Clinton/McCain matchup came out to vote simply due to enthusiasm generated by Obama''s prescense on the ticket.

Also this survey starts with the faulty assumption that many McCain voters would have voted for Hillary if given a chance but how many of the Barack Obama voters they''re assuming would have voted for Hillary would have instead voted McCain instead of Obama in a Clinton/McCain matchup? Hillary did have the highest negatives of anyone seriously persuing the Presidency if I''m not mistaken.

Last, Hillary never had to campaign against John McCain so there''s no way to tell how she would have fared in a head to head matchup after all of her dirty laundry was brought back up and voters were reminded why they had "Clinton fatigue" after the first Clinton White House.

Total B.S.

[david936]

I don''t believe this poll. I''m certain that Hillary would have lost if she ran. John McCain would have ran as the change agent. This polling is flawed.

[jerrydenim]

These numbers are totally bogus. It''s impossible to draw conclusions about a hypothetical McCain/Clinton match up from the electorate that showed up to decide the Obama/McCain contest.

First, the electorate that showed up for the actual election almost cetainly contained many young and African-American voters that would have stayed home in the make-believe Clinton/McCain matchup came out to vote simply due to enthusiasm generated by Obama''s prescense on the ticket.

Also this survey starts with the faulty assumption that many McCain voters would have voted for Hillary if given a chance but how many of the Barack Obama voters they''re assuming would have voted for Hillary would have instead voted McCain instead of Obama in a Clinton/McCain matchup? Hillary did have the highest negatives of anyone seriously persuing the Presidency if I''m not mistaken.

Last, Hillary never had to campaign against John McCain so there''s no way to tell how she would have fared in a head to head matchup after all of her dirty laundry was brought back up and voters were reminded why they had "Clinton fatigue" after the first Clinton White House.

Total B.S.

[dzemog1]

Hillary would''ve won, but I don''t think it would''ve been by the same large margin. I don''t think other posters here are right that the youth and Latino vote wouldn''t have shown up. I think they would have and in the same numbers. I also think the African American vote would''ve come back, although Bill Clinton would''ve had a little ground to make up first. The biggest differential with Hillary is the effect she would likely have had on Republican voters. Like it or not, Hillary is reviled by most Republicans. They would''ve welcomed the oppty to come out in droves to vote against her, and that missing % of GOP voters that didn''t come for McCain vs Obama, might''ve shown in greater numbers. That said, the economy and the party trumped everything and the end result would''ve been the same. However, the expansion of the map that Obama achieved wouldn''t have happened and Hillary would''ve been left to count on the old standards of OH, PA and FL.

[yleasure]

There wouldn''''t have been as strong of youth and African-American turn out with Hillary on the ticket, so she probably would''''ve needed an extra few points to keep pace. It all would''''ve averaged out.


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Posted by erikdc

You guys really need to pull off your robes and slippers and STOP eating all those Cheetos.

Youth vote did not increase. Youth voter turnout in 2004 11%; Youth voter turnout in 2008 11%.

[missstaceyg]

I second the many posters who have basically said that the Republicans are welcome to keep every Hillary voter that voted for McCain. You would be of no service to the Democrats anymore, as you do not cherish our ideals, which are also Hillary''s ideals. Good luck will Palin whenever she runs, the Democrats will defeat her (and you) again.

[mjchirill]

Obama won and he won BIG!! Hillary''s campaign was chaos that''s why she lost. We certainly do not need a chaotic leader right now!
Barack was/is a better leader, more organised, more intelligent, and modern!
Get over Hillary''s loss and move on!
Think back..move forward..IT''s TIME!

[liberalme]

"Clinton may have won by more than Obama"?

Who cares? She didn''t win!!

[werksdesign]

Since polls are always all over the field, it depends which poll you read and want to believe.

[blenvid]

Who votes for Mccain and call themselves democrats? Screw you people.
We didnt need your vote and we wont need it in 2012. So go ahead and throw it away on Palin... LOL

Posted by yelhsalm

Yep, we got the message Yelhsalm.

[yongamerica]

Of the 16% who would have switched their vote from McCain to Clinton, how many of these votes were racially motivated?

[floras-2009]

As a Democrat PUMA feminist who did vote for McCain, I might have voted for Obama after all if I''d known he planned to restore many of Bill Clinton''s cabinet -- particularly Treasury Secretary Larry Summers, who did a great job cleaning up after Bush Sr and managing a bailout plan for Mexido and elsewhere in the 90s. He''s being unfairly misquoted now, so I''ve put up a diary about him at http://clintondems.com/2008/11/restore-bill-clintons-secretary-of-the-treasury-larry-summers/

[hawaiigirl6]

I have a problem with the math. Obama won approx. 53% - McCain approx. 46%, which adds to approx. 99%. Your exit poll numbers show Clinton with a lower percentage of 52% and McCain with a lower percentage also - 41%. Total is only 93%. What about the missing 6%? Wouldn''t have voted - would have voted for other candidates, what? Clinton wouldn''t have gotten as much of the vote as Obama but somehow her being in the race would have depressed McCain''s percentage? Doesn''t make sense to me.