Comments on: GOP Robo-Calls Hitting Ayres Issue

[sommertime6]

I suggest you do some research and figure out how patriotism has been used effectively to do ugly things in history. Posted by jone775 at 12:26 AM : Oct 17, 2008

I agree that patriotism can be abused as aserghuil described. We must also be careful not to go to the other extreme and become anti-patriotic. Both can be dangerous

[Brizerz]

"A lot of time has past since then and he has demonstrated he learned his lesson. "

McCain only recently switched his position from being in favor of deregulation to being a staunch opponent, and that was when he saw that Obama''s position was the more fiscally sound approach just two weeks ago.

McCain never learned. His judgment automatically got called into question when he chose the junior governor, Sarah Palin, whose husband was part of an Alaskan secession movement and who herself had ties to corrupt politician Ted Stevens. One heartbeat away from the presidency, everyone around the world and a large majority of those within this country realize that Palin would be the worst thing to happen to this nation in its entire history. Her desire to impose her own views upon countless other citizens of this great nation with trivial matters such as abortion leave members of the international community wondering how anyone could have made the foolish mistake made by McCain in choosing Palin as her running mate.

McCain has justified himself as being willing to stoop to new campaign lows as well as making poor decisions overall in an attempt to appeal to people for victory and victory alone. His campaign is full of shame, and yet he feels none of it.

I feel sorry that you''ve been convinced so steadfastly to vote for him. I wish I could change your mind, but it seems you''re locked in this reckless mindset. Godspeed.

[babyboomer03]

The implication of that phone message -- especially if delivered rapidly by the caller -- is that Obama "worked closely" with Ayers when Ayers "bombed the US Capitol, the Pentagon, a judge''s home and killed Americans." Although the exact language is "Barack Obama has worked closely with domestic terrorist Bill Ayers, whose organization bombed the U.S. capitol, the Pentagon, a judge''s home and killed Americans," the "whose organization" portion can easily be missed. This is EXTREMELY (and I am sure intentionally) misleading. It is every bit as disgusting as the robo-calls that Bush used against McCain in 2000, implying that McCain fathered an illegitimate black child. For shame!

[sommertime6]

Posted by Truthmatterz at 12:26 AM : Oct 17, 2008

You comments intrigue me . . . I generally vote republican and many on the republican side say the same about the democratic party. Its seems we both are so eager to believe the worst in each other. I wish there was an easy way to stop it . . .

[Brizerz]

jone775 has a point. Patriotism has been used in the name of promoting heinous parties to power. Case in point: the Reichstag bombing led was blamed on communists by the Nazi party, thus effectively sealing the ascension of the Nazis.

Patriotism has been used by groups as justification to commit wicked acts, though those who commit said acts always committed said actions for the purpose of self-promotion. The Bush leadership did this with Iraq and locked us in a never-ending war. McCain has inept advisers of the same breed; sommertime6, the neoconservative leaders will lead you and others willing to believe this nonsense into oblivion, taking the rest of us down as well.

Please, don''t make the same mistakes you guys made in 2000 and 2004. Our reputation as a people and as a nation were severely damaged due to the ineptitude of the current administration and those alike.

[sommertime6]

Posted by aserghuil at 11:59 PM : Oct 16, 2008

As intelligent as you are trying to be, you have know idea who I am or what I believe. You do not know my mentality. Your elitist comments against others who disagree with you I suppose then would be indicative of your mentality? I''m willing to listen. I''m willing to research your claims. I don''t make sweeping remarks that discount everything everyone else says. For someone being so sensitive about political correctness, you don''t seem to be practicing it.

Americans have the right to believe what they want, to practice the faith that they want. I understand that pastors across the nation may share Rev Wrights views. Thats fine. But if you feel that way about the country why should you be trusted to lead it? Recklessly clipped sound bites? I don''t care what the context was. You can''t defend it. Obama couldn''t. He ended up leaving that fellowship because he recognized that it was a problem.

In over 20 years serving our Country the only blemish on McCains record you can sight is from the 80''s, an incident that he was eventually exonerated from but was chastized for his poor judgement. A lot of time has past since then and he has demonstrated he learned his lesson. He''s been policing pork and special interests and campaign finance ever since. Obama''s career has been much shorter and already the controversial figures in his life outnumber McCain''s. Another 5 - 10 years for Obama and he could prove the same.

[jone775]

sommertime6: you are being fooled. I suggest you do some research and figure out how patriotism has been used effectively to do ugly things in history. I fear this is happening in the U.S. right now, and it''s being done by the rethuglican party. Stop the hatred and intolerance...vote Democrat, vote Obama/Biden.

[dnsallday]

I just don''t understand why the Republican party is always against Americans.
It really seems that the intentions of their actions, is always to tear us apart.

[Brizerz]

"The author of the article obviously feels"

I''m sorry. I stopped reading right there; FactCheck.org articles are published after peer review by people who have proven themselves as unbiased analyzers of political discussion. Your comment is automatically null and void; FactCheck.org has always used facts to establish credibility, and has done so in the article you mentioned.

Nice try, but your tactic was also employed by the McCain campaign directly. Why choose a new attack line when you can try to discredit an impeccable organization?

Step off your throne.

[sommertime6]

I checked out factcheck.org on the Obama/Ayers relationshiop. The author of the article obviously feels that using Ayers as an attack is way out of line and accuses the McCain camp of lying regarding those accusations. I agree there is some stretching of the truth as has been typical of both campaigns but the article really toned down Ayer''s past behavior as well. I almost bought into the integrity behind the article until the author started questioning wether or not Ayers was actually a terrorist! What? Well, he didn''t really mean to hurt anyone . . . You''ve got to be kidding me. All integrity for factcheck.org in my mind is dangerously close to being lost based these opinions expressed by the author. The guy bombed several federal buildings. Lives were at stake. There should be no question who Ayer''s is and there should be questions about persons running for public office who count him as their friend; not necessarily close friends, but according to the Obama campaign, friendly. Its up to the American people to research it and decide how they feel about it. But you can''t deny that there are some facts mingled in with all the political truth stretching.