Comments on: Faith Plays Complex Role In '08 Race

CBS' Kathy Frankovic: Candidates' Beliefs Not Well-Known, But Voters Want Them To Be Strong

[alanrobisch]

All the evidence is to the contrary, and your refusal to acknowledge the carnage perpetrated in the name of God throughout human history reveals that you are not interested in truth. Rather, you are afraid of death and the unknown and therefore take comfort in false facts.



Posted by Candide777 at 06:08 PM : Nov 01

This may be because atheists did not exist in most of history and religion was the way of explaining the world to people who didn''t understand why things happenned. It would be of interest to me if you could name a single culture that did not religion as a core of its existence. the separation of church and state is only a recent thing. Humans are all capable of immoral and inhuman behavior whether they believe in a God or not. Atheists are not given a special exemption from being human. It is people such as yourself who are probably areligious find it easy to blame human misbehaviour on religion than to simply accept that humans are willing and able to do horrible things to each other no matter what their philosophy

[candide777]

"If we believe absurdities, we shall commit atrocities." -- Voltaire

In Voltaire%u2019s time it was forbidden to be an Atheist. Admitting to be one, meant the death sentence. Thus, he was perceived as having been a diest for most of his life. However, late in life, he was a fearless crusader against religious cruelty and injustice, which suggests that although he did not feel strongly enough to sacrifice his own life for the cause, he was not at all one of the "faithful." But whether, a diest or an atheist, the truth of his statement is undeniable. See, e.g., September 11, 2001, NYC, et al. (just one example of atrocities committed in the name of absurdities).

[candide777]

I''m sorry but I was told that atheists were more moral IMHO this proves quite the opposite.
Posted by alanrobisch2 at 05:56 PM : Nov 01, 2007

Umm, actually, if you were the learned guy you pretend to be, you''d realize that your select statistics prove nothing at all. But, I realize you are just making a feable attempt to reason to the conclusion that you want, it''s quite a common tactic among the "faithful." There is absolutely no reliable evidence to suggest that atheists are responsible for most of the senseless slaughter that has occurred over the short history of human existence. All the evidence is to the contrary, and your refusal to acknowledge the carnage perpetrated in the name of God throughout human history reveals that you are not interested in truth. Rather, you are afraid of death and the unknown and therefore take comfort in false facts.

[quatrops]

Fibonacci & candide777: Don''t bother to challange alanrobisch with reality. He reads you the same way he reads his Bible: with blinders on and picking out only what fits his pre-drawn conclusion. Why is that such a common occurrance with so many on the right?

Spend your time usefully -- re-arrange your sock drawer or something.

[alanrobisch]

Religion is cover for avoiding talking about reasonable D&F policies.


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Posted by finewoven at 12:53 PM : Nov 01, 2007
+ report abus

Please clarify what d&f means and no the central part of human life does not revolve around money but human relationships and on this ground there is a definite divide between conservatives and liberals

[alanrobisch]

Hmm, that makes them, at least in one respect, similar to the faithful. One thing history has proven, however, is that it''''s a lot easier to convince the masses to tolerate and even perpetrate murder in the name of God than it is to convince them to do so for the common good. Religion poisons everything.


Posted by Candide777 at 02:31 PM : Nov 01, 2007

Its a little thing I studied Russian History in college and have a BA in history and have heard these figures quoted frequently. Pol pot who was a communist leader in cambodia made all the residents of the capital city leave on foot and killed over 2 million people. Mao tse dung in the name of communism caused the death of many in his cultural revolution in the mid 70''s in china. I''m sorry but I was told that atheists were more moral IMHO this proves quite the opposite.

[fibonacci_]

Candide777, I agree with you there. I don''t think that the crimes of the Russian government had much at all to do with them being atheists. All sorts of other motives were in place there.

I admit, there have to be some people who used atheism as an excuse to commit crimes, but very few in comparison to religious people. Religious people are often even quite bold in clearly stating why they commit their crimes (Westboro Baptist Church, abortion clinic bombers, Islamomaniacs). Did anyone see that excellent special by CNN in July called "God''s warriors?"

[oldprophet]

Unlike Hitlery, and most of the other GOP candidates, Ron Paul actually served his country as a member of the military. Paul grew up in the western Pennsylvania town of Green Tree. His family ran a small dairy, with Ron delivering milk door-to-door. Sports were big around there and Paul was a terrific athlete, winning a state track meet in the 220 and excelling at football and baseball. After medical school at Duke, Paul joined the Air Force, where he served as a flight surgeon, tending to the ailments of pilots, and traveling to bases in Iran, Ethiopia and elsewhere. "I recall doing a lot of physicals on Army warrant officers who wanted to become helicopter pilots and go to Vietnam," he said. "They were gung-ho. I''ve often thought about how many of those people never came back." Paul is given to mulling things over morally. His family was pious and Lutheran; two of his brothers became ministers. Paul''s children were baptized in the Episcopal church, but he now attends a Baptist one. He''s been married to the same woman for 50 years. As a young man, though, he did not protest the Vietnam War, which he now calls "totally unnecessary and illegal." Much later, after the United States invaded Iraq, he began reading St. Augustine. "I was annoyed by the evangelicals'' being so supportive of pre-emptive war, which seems to contradict everything that I was taught as a Christian," he recalls. "The religion is based on somebody who''s referred to as the Prince of Peace."

[candide777]

Russian communism resulted in the murder of 20 million people. The state was officially atheist.
Posted by alanrobisch2 at 12:21 PM : Nov 01, 2007

Where do you get that figure? So, what have we learned? Atheist are also capable of committing horrible crimes when their thirst for money and power get in the way of their good intentions? Hmm, that makes them, at least in one respect, similar to the faithful. One thing history has proven, however, is that it''s a lot easier to convince the masses to tolerate and even perpetrate murder in the name of God than it is to convince them to do so for the common good. Religion poisons everything.

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