Comments on: GOP's Torture Strategy: Pelosi

Politico: Republicans Are Countering Calls For An Investigation By Saying That The House Speaker Should Be Included

[casionova]

Incidentally the British were the first to use WMD in Iraq. They used to bomb rebel Iraqi villages with poison gas before WW2. Winston Churchill signed the orders.

Thats why I thought it was funny to hear the brits condemning saddam the monster for gassing his own people when they did it first....

[notblue]

For over two decades politicians and presidents from both sides of the isle stated Sadam had WMD. Both Republicans and clearly Democrats like Pelosi were fully aware of the interrogation methods being used. If not for the collective memory loss of the leftwing in this country and the sheep that believed the false move.on talking points Obama may not have been elected. But now the election is over and the Dems believe that if they continue to point fingers and blame the other side of the isle the media will support that agenda and the sheep will once again believe. This time however, as this article clearly states, there is documentation showing that all relevant high ranking Democrats also knew. That is why there will be no prosecution of ANYONE. As long as the Dems can deflect from their own impotence and hide the truth by critisizing and blaming political rivals that the white hot spotlight of truth never shines on them or their policies. Lucky for the Dems there are still enough enough sheep, enough libs, who harbor hatred for anything conservative and are still able turn a blind eye to reality and truth.

[leeanna59]

Is there some kind of alternative history written for people who have blanked out the UN inspectors on the ground in Iraq investigating and hunting actually for ANY evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq . . .
Posted by prometheus11

It is very well documented that Sadam Huessein (however you spell it) used WMD to kill 50,000 of his own people. By the time the inspectors got there, the WMD had been moved to Syria.

[casionova]

Cheney said Iraq had reconstituted nuclear weapons programs.
Posted by casionova at 7:16 AM : May 12, 2009
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Exactly. Programs are development...having nuclear weapons is operational.
Posted by reasoned1955

So we are in agreement then. Cheney is a liar.

I would go one further however and say that since Cheney lied to the world to wage an aggressive war he should be hanged as the war criminal he is and as the Nazis were for waging an aggressive war.

[moderateminded44]

Your frustration with the facts is showing Stuart. I will concede that Cheney definitely fanned the flames; but no one (not even him) was saying that Iraq had operational nukes. The concern was their development. This is consistent in all objective writings on this topic. Posted by reasoned1955 at 7:06 AM : May 12, 2009

********!!! Knucklehead. CHENEY was talking mushroom cloud over New York, by the Iraqi regime. He used Powell sadistically and destroyed his credibility, to propagate the WMD fiasco 100 fold. Whereas his real motivations were billions for the oil & weapons industries.

Cheeky Cheney USED the Oval Office for greed and only greed. He never once gave a hoot for how many Americans or Iraqi's died. This man is insane.
Posted by SanityPlease at 7:28 AM : May 12, 2009

Stuart's other login name....

[norcalruss]

This is absolutely ridiculous. The torture policy was devised and owned by Bush Administration and that is where the focus should be. These bums in the GOP are doing nothing but obstructing as usual. They are trying to muddy the waters and protect Bush, Cheney and others by dragging Pelosi and others into the war crimes policy of the Administration. Pelosi was not the speaker of the house back then, and even if she would have objected, would these self-righteous b@stards in the Whitehouise have listened to her? And what is Lamar Alexander blabbering about the Clinton Administration for? They had nothing to do with Bush?s torture policy. This is the complete and utter nonsense that you would expect from the hypocritical GOP sore-losers. Try to impeach Bill Clinton for lying about a BJ don?t do a d@mned thing when one of your own commits war crimes, gets thousands of Americans killed, wastes hundreds of billions of dollars, and destroys a country for no good reason.

[valh1]

Looking at Princess Pelosi is absolute torture. Her face has been pulled so tight it hurts to look at her. Of course she will never be voted out. She is in a safe district where they love liars and cheats because that is just how liberal moonbats roll!!!

[reasoned1955]

Cheney said Iraq had reconstituted nuclear weapons programs.
Posted by casionova at 7:16 AM : May 12, 2009
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Exactly. Programs are development...having nuclear weapons is operational.

[moderateminded44]

That was probably due at least in part to a Presidential State of the Union Address which mentioned "yellow-cake uranium", which the husband of a former CIA employee -- who's identifty was at one time a state protected secret -- disclaimed as false.
Posted by prometheus11 at 7:13 AM : May 12, 2009

That's been rehashed a million times already, and it's commonly accepted that it's a FAR leap from yellow cake to armed nuclear weapons. Only a mental midget like stuart2590 would crap his diaper over that.

[casionova]

but no one (not even him) was saying that Iraq had operational nukes. The concern was their development. This is consistent in all objective writings on this topic.
Posted by reasoned1955

Cheney said Iraq had reconstituted nuclear weapons programs. He knew he was spinning a tale and hes responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths because of those lies

[moderateminded44]

Gotta go. I'm a mental-midget.
Posted by Stuart2560 at 6:58 AM : May 12, 2009

Yeah we know.

[reasoned1955]

Gotta go. Had enough fun wasting time with these mental-midget neos.
Posted by Stuart2560 at 6:58 AM : May 12, 2009
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I guarantee he's still here...reading and fuming. The facts always intimidate him when his liberal soapbox gets wobbly. I'm not taking sides...there's plenty of screwups in both parties.

[moderateminded44]

LOL...when did anyone ever say that Iraq had nukes??
Posted by moderateminded44 at 6:55 AM : May 12, 2009

When did anyone accuse you of watching the news the last 8 years? What a dumb question!
Posted by Stuart2560 at 6:56 AM : May 12, 2009

I'd have to ask you the same question then, since no news source EVER said that...except maybe you and your cult of basement dwelling Hannity/Limbaugh weanies.

[CBSWHAT]

There is always the blame game for lack of determining a better way to get information that will protect our buts. Does anyone ever suggest what advanced method of interrogation they would use in place of waterboarding? I'm frankly tired of the backbitting between Reps and Dems, lets do something constructive that supports the troops so they can do what they are hired to do "protect us", which is also the First and foremost assignment of the President. I know many think he is hired to give them goodies and free stuff, but that is not the Presidents job.

[reasoned1955]

When did anyone accuse you of watching the news the last 8 years? What a dumb question!
Posted by Stuart2560 at 6:56 AM : May 12, 2009
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Your frustration with the facts is showing Stuart. I will concede that Cheney definitely fanned the flames; but no one (not even him) was saying that Iraq had operational nukes. The concern was their development. This is consistent in all objective writings on this topic.

[babooph]

ALL the torture crowd should be imprisoned ,no matter the party-including her does not clear others .

[promaclaura]

I only post this to illustrate an absurdity that exists still today. Our politicians (both sides) still think that we don't pay them to read bills in their entirety...re: stimulus bill. What the heck do they think they're supposed to do to earn their living. Reinventing facts because they didn't read them when they were presented to them is "smoke and mirrors" politics.
Posted by reasoned1955 at 6:55 AM : May 12, 2009

Very good, this is the very reason that Pelosi's "chicken little" act on interrogation comes a little too late. Pelosi's razor sharp skills (lol) were needed in 2002.

[omega39-2009]

I?d like to urge folks to think through what standards should be applied to inherently ambiguous information. Here is what we knew in 2002:

(1) Saddam had a WMD program in the early 1990s.
(2) Saddam had not fully cooperated with weapons inspectors from 1991-1998.
(3) Inspectors had been expelled from the country from 1998 to 2002.
(4) When the inspectors returns, they found no evidence of a WMD program.
(5) Saddam was either unable or unwilling to provide a full accounting of what had happened to the program.

Posted by cpelzar--2008

From an article dated june 2003, here's what we apparently knew BEFORE we went into Iraq.....

The Iraq hawks at Defense and in the office of Vice
President Dick Cheney continued to push the idea that Saddam had both
stockpiles of WMD and links to terrorists who could deliver those
weapons to American cities. Speeches and statements by Cheney, Defense
Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Bush himself repeated these claims
throughout the fall of 2002 and the winter of 2003. One persistent
theme: that Saddam was intent on building a nuke. On Oct. 7, for
instance, Bush predicted in a speech in Cincinnati that Saddam could
have a nuclear weapon in less than a year.

The evidence sometimes cited to support Saddams nuclear program
was shaky, however. On the morning after Bushs State of the Union
address in January, Greg Thielmann, who had recently resigned from the
State Departments Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR)whose
duties included tracking Iraqs WMD programread the text in the
newspaper. Bush had cited British intelligence reports that Saddam was
trying to purchase significant quantities of uranium from Africa.

Thielmann was floored. When I saw that, it really blew me away,
Thielmann told NEWSWEEK. Thielmann knew about the source of the
allegation. The CIA had come up with some documents purporting to show
Saddam had attempted to buy up to 500 tons of uranium oxide from the
African country of Niger. INR had concluded that the purchases were
implausibleand made that point clear to Powells office. As Thielmann
read that the president had relied on these documents to report to the
nation, he thought, Not that stupid piece of garbage. My thought was,
how did that get into the speech It later turned out that the
documents were a forgery, and a crude one at that, peddled to the
Italians by an entrepreneurial African diplomat. The Niger minister of
Foreign Affairs whose name was on the letterhead had been out of office
for more than 10 years. The most cursory checks would have exposed the
fraud.

The strongest evidence that Saddam was building a nuke was the fact
that he was secretly importing aluminum tubes that could be used to help
make enriched uranium. At least it seemed that way. In early September,
just before Bush was scheduled to speak to the United Nations about the
Iraqi threat, the story was leaked to Judith Miller and Michael Gordon
of The New York Times, which put it on page one. That same Sunday (Sept.
8), Cheney and national-security adviser Condoleezza Rice went on the
talk shows to confirm the story.

NOT-SO-SECRET WEAPONS

At the CIA, Tenet seems to have latched on to the tubes as a kind
of smoking gun. He brought one of the tubes to a closed Senate hearing
that same month. But from the beginning, other intelligence experts in
the government had their doubts. After canvassing experts at the
nations nuclear labs, the Department of Energy concluded that the tubes
were the wrong specification to be used in a centrifuge, the equipment
used to enrich uranium. The State Departments INR concluded that the
tubes were meant to be used for a multiple-rocket-launching system. (And
Saddam was not secretly buying them; the purchase order was posted on
the Internet.) In two reports to Powell, INR concluded there was no
reliable evidence that Iraq had restarted a nuclear program at all.
These were not weaselly worded, said Thielmann. They were as
definitive as these things go. These dissents were duly recorded in a
classified intelligence estimate. But they were largely dropped from the
declassified version made available to the public. U.N. inspectors say
they have found solid proof that Iraq bought the tubes to build small
rockets, not nukes.

[moderateminded44]

Look. Saddamit's WMD's were biological and chemical....NOT nuclear like Bush and Cheney wanted the world to believe!
Posted by Stuart2560 at 6:50 AM : May 12, 2009

Oh brother!

LOL...when did anyone ever say that Iraq had nukes??

[Oregon_State_OSU]

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