Comments on: Tough Election Leaves GOP In Dire Straits

Politico: Republican Party Seen As Increasingly Out-Dated, In Its Worst Shape Since Rise Of The Conservative Coalition

[txgrouch2007]

Bush Uranium Lie Is Tip of the Iceberg
Posted by IOWEIGN at 05:23 PM : Nov 07, 2008

Zzzzz... SNORT! HUH, WHAT??

Man, that story is such a snoozer, I think I''ll use it for a betime story for my kids.

Hey, did you hear THE DEMOCRATS WILL HAVE TOTAL CONTROL OF THE GOVERNMENT starting next year. Now we can blame THEM for everything from now on!!!

Let''s see how they adjust to having "absolute power" like the GOP did 8 years ago. LOL!

Let''s see how big of a crater THEY make...

[ioweign]

Even if you do, you still can''''t read them. Sandy Berger smuggled out the secret archives that proved Bill Clinton''''s crimes.

Remember him? He took out secret docuemnts in his underwear. When questioned, his excuse was that he intended to put them back before he left, but he forgot that the secret documents were in his underwear.

Oh, yah! That''''s bringing the Clinton years back to me...

Posted by txgrouch2007 at 05:24 PM : Nov 07, 2008

And Mr. Berger lost his law license over those "copies".

He did not out a CIA agent on active duty.

[kevnkar]

TS/SCI with all the tickets. Drives you crazy I know. Drives me crazy that I can''''t use specifics but comes with the territory. I just have to live with it. THe most irritating is that public "facts" is a dubious notion at best.


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Posted by hatesthecolt

Well your clearances sure trump any I ever held. And you are right about dubiuos public facts and that includes any presented in favor of either party. We can agree to disagree but there were mobile chemical weapons labs found and uranium etc. Bush and the congress both acted on the same intelligence so the nameless puppeteers are the ones who lied I guess.

[ioweign]

Then there is the matter of the United Nation''''''''s Charter which Bush violated by the invasion of Iraq

Please. The UN is an impotent organization that lacks the intestinal fortitude to back up it''s own sanctions. This is evidenced by the fact that Iran continues to enrich uranium while thumbing their noses at the UN.

Posted by kevnkar at 05:11 PM : Nov 07, 2008

What the UN is or is not - is not the question.

Bush violated a signed treaty with that organization.

[txgrouch2007]

Unless you have the highest security clearance, you have not read the full intelligence reports.
Posted by kevnkar at 05:18 PM : Nov 07, 2008

Even if you do, you still can''t read them. Sandy Berger smuggled out the secret archives that proved Bill Clinton''s crimes.

Remember him? He took out secret docuemnts in his underwear. When questioned, his excuse was that he intended to put them back before he left, but he forgot that the secret documents were in his underwear.

Oh, yah! That''s bringing the Clinton years back to me...

[ioweign]

Bush Uranium Lie Is Tip of the Iceberg

7/18/03

Five months later, the truthfulness of one claim in George W. Bush''s State of the Union address has become the focus of growing media scrutiny. The attention media are paying to this single assertion should be part of a larger journalistic inquiry into other misstatements and exaggerations that have been made by the Bush administration about Iraq.

In the January 28 speech, Bush claimed that "the British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." That assertion was similar to claims made previously by administration officials, including Secretary of State Colin Powell (CBS Evening News, 12/19/02), that Iraq had sought to import yellowcake uranium from Niger, a strong indication that Saddam Hussein''s regime was reconstituting its nuclear weapons program.

In fact, the Niger story, as documented by journalist Seymour Hersh (New Yorker, 3/31/03) and others, was based on crudely forged documents. In addition, the administration''s own investigation in March 2002 concluded that the story was bogus. As one former State Department official put it, "This wasn''t highly contested. There weren''t strong advocates on the other side. It was done, shot down" (Time, 7/21/03).

[hatesthecolt]

Don''''t let public facts get in your way. Unless you have the highest security clearance, you have not read the full intelligence reports. This country has secrets like any other and rightfully so. If you know something, then so do our enemies.


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Posted by kevnkar

TS/SCI with all the tickets. Drives you crazy I know. Drives me crazy that I can''t use specifics but comes with the territory. I just have to live with it. THe most irritating is that public "facts" is a dubious notion at best.

[kevnkar]

I don''''t need to read the article, I have read the intelligence reports. The American people were lied to.


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Posted by hatesthecolt at 05:05 PM : Nov 07, 2008

Don''t let public facts get in your way. Unless you have the highest security clearance, you have not read the full intelligence reports. This country has secrets like any other and rightfully so. If you know something, then so do our enemies.

[ioweign]

What DIRE STRAITS???

This is GREAT! We can start blaming the DEMOCRATS for everything for a change, starting next year.

I can''''t WAIT!!!


Posted by txgrouch2007 at 05:11 PM : Nov 07, 2008


When did you stop....

[kevnkar]

Then there is the matter of the United Nation''''s Charter which Bush violated by the invasion of Iraq

Please. The UN is an impotent organization that lacks the intestinal fortitude to back up it''s own sanctions. This is evidenced by the fact that Iran continues to enrich uranium while thumbing their noses at the UN.

[txgrouch2007]

What DIRE STRAITS???

This is GREAT! We can start blaming the DEMOCRATS for everything for a change, starting next year.

I can''t WAIT!!!

[hatesthecolt]

Subject: FW: Did Bush Lie?
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http://www.msnbc.msn.c
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Read the article. 55o metric tons of yellow cake uranium were found in Iraq in 2003.

I don''t need to read the article, I have read the intelligence reports. The American people were lied to.

[kevnkar]

Subject: FW: Did Bush Lie?
-------Original Message-------

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/

Read the article. 55o metric tons of yellow cake uranium were found in Iraq in 2003. This was kept quiet for obvious reasons. So no the invasion was not based on lies. Maybe Wilson and Plame were the liars. remember, nothing is ever as simple as it seems.

[ioweign]

For those of you who keep insisting that the military action in Iraq is illegal and that Bush trashed the constitution:

Something that people are quick to forget - Presidents themselves are rarely the cause of problems, and are rarely the solutions. They don''''t pass bills and laws. Do you know, for instance, that even though the Iraq war is tremendously unpopular, and that people blame Bush for it....well folks, in early 2003, 64% * of the American people were in favor of going to war. Congress declared it easily**. It wasn''''t just GWB. Did you know that our current mortgage crisis was not caused by GWB ?

*In a January 2003 CBS poll 64% of U.S. nationals had approved of military action against Iraq


**The authorization was sought by President George W. Bush. Introduced as H.J.Res. 114[3] (Public Law 107%u2013243), it passed the House on Thursday afternoon at 3:05 PM EDT on October 10, 2002 by a vote of 296-133,[4] and passed the Senate after midnight early Friday morning at 12:50 AM EDT on October 11, 2002 by a vote of 77-23.[5] It was signed into law by President Bush on October 16, 2002.

Posted by kevnkar at 04:18 PM : Nov 07, 2008


Bush was authorized to use force not lie in the 2003 State of the Union Address.

Then there is the matter of the United Nation''s Charter which Bush violated by the invasion of Iraq.

By violating a signed treaty, he is in violation of our Constitution...

[hatesthecolt]

kevnkar, that public approval was based on lies and misinformation so it''s irrelevant because we never will know what approval would have been if they had known the truth.

[kevnkar]

I should add that the reason being motivated by profit can make the media partisan is that those advertisers (primarily drug and food companies) are in the back pockets of the politicians in Washington. those politicians have the power to inact all kinds of legislation that could effect the bottom line for these companies.

[kevnkar]

Yes, the media are motivated by profits purely and that is the problem. They have no interest in the truth anymore. The truth will cost them advertisers. You better take anything you see in the mainstream with a grain of salt. Get your news from many sources and find the truth yourself. The problem is tha the sheeple out there just take whatever CBS and others tell them and think it is gospel.

[kevnkar]

For those of you who keep insisting that the military action in Iraq is illegal and that Bush trashed the constitution:

Something that people are quick to forget - Presidents themselves are rarely the cause of problems, and are rarely the solutions. They don''t pass bills and laws. One man (or someday, woman) is not responsible....though he is often the scapegoat for the countries ills. Place the blame on Congress. Place the blame on the citizens. Do you know, for instance, that even though the Iraq war is tremendously unpopular, and that people blame Bush for it....well folks, in early 2003, 64% * of the American people were in favor of going to war. Congress declared it easily**. It wasn''t just GWB. Did you know that our current mortgage crisis was not caused by GWB ? Oh no....the policies of giving housing loans to just about anyone (even those with questionable financial status) started during the Clinton Era.

*In a January 2003 CBS poll 64% of U.S. nationals had approved of military action against Iraq


**The authorization was sought by President George W. Bush. Introduced as H.J.Res. 114[3] (Public Law 107%u2013243), it passed the House on Thursday afternoon at 3:05 PM EDT on October 10, 2002 by a vote of 296-133,[4] and passed the Senate after midnight early Friday morning at 12:50 AM EDT on October 11, 2002 by a vote of 77-23.[5] It was signed into law by President Bush on October 16, 2002.

[jgaites]

The party needs to be "freshened up" by putting some flowers on its tombstone. Most of the leaders need to be investigated for the blatant corruption and war crimes they have commited, especially Bush and Cheney, the most horrific traitors in our history. Anyone that passes laws or signs exectutive orders that directly violate the U.S Constitution: secret prisons, arrest witout trail, tortore, illegal search and seizure, you name it, the leaders of the current Republican Party are criminals.

Let''''s "freshen them up" by spraying lemon-scent lysol in their jail cells every day. It''''s more than they deserve, but we should have pity on the poor security guards that have to work in an environment with such odious individuals.

[inketolstoy]

The media gives people want they want, otherwise, they wouldn''''t be in business. -Posted by tuckerndfw

Then why (if motivated by profit) they contiue to do this despite shrinking revenues and flocks of viewers fleeing to alternative news sources?