Comments on: McCain Scores A Bump From Saddleback

Politico: Republican Has Taken Important Step Toward Shoring Up Support Among Christian Conservatives

[johnpotus]

He has flip-flopped again and again, on campaign finance, on government eavesdropping of overseas phone calls, on gun control and even Iraq. Future President Obama now says he''ll listen to his generals about when to withdraw. He didn''t say he''d listen to the commissars of the blogosphere.

And his cheerleaders are beginning to realize that Obama may not be the Arthurian knight in shining armor, that he may not be Mr. Tumnus, the gentle forest faun of our presidential politics. Months after his inauguration, after he makes Billy Daley the secretary of the treasury and Michael Daley the secretary of zoning and promotes Patrick Fitzgerald to become the attorney general of Mars, the political left may figure out that Obama is a Chicago politician.

"Only an idiot would think or hope that a politician going through the crucible of a presidential campaign could hold fast to every position, steer clear of the stumbling blocks of nuance and never make a mistake," wrote Bob Herbert in The New York Times. "But Barack Obama went out of his way to create the impression that he was a new kind of political leader%u2014more honest, less cynical and less relentlessly calculating than most. . . . Obama is not just tacking gently toward the center. He''s lurching right when it suits him, and he''s zigging with the kind of reckless abandon that''s guaranteed to cause disillusion, if not whiplash."

Chicago Tribune, July 12 2008

[johnpotus]

Obama, on the other hand, avoided a clear response: %u201CI think that whether you%u2019re looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity, you know, is above my pay grade.%u201D

(from above article)

Obama is a fraud. Always avoiding giving a direct answer and trying to play it both ways.

We don''t need a fraud as President. In fact, we don''t need a fraud in the senate but unfortunately for the majority of Americans, muslims and blacks in the Chicago area will continue to put Obama in the senate.

[johnpotus]

In a sharp turnaround, Republican John McCain has opened a 5-point lead on Democrat Barack Obama in the U.S. presidential race and is seen as a stronger manager of the economy, according to a Reuters/Zogby poll released on Wednesday.

McCain leads Obama among likely U.S. voters by 46 percent to 41 percent, wiping out Obama''''s solid 7-point advantage in July and taking his first lead in the monthly Reuters/Zogby poll.

The reversal follows a month of attacks by McCain, who has questioned Obama''''s experience, criticized his opposition to most new offshore oil drilling and mocked his overseas trip.

Reuters, August 20 2008

It is about time that a reputable news organisation reflected the truth. Obama is an empty suit. Obama is a fraud. After close to nine months about that fraud talking about change, voters still have yet to hear any thing of substance from that fraud Obama.

[coryellco]

obama is an empty suit and will get his clock cleaned every time he is without his teleprompter he has no core values and he makes flip flop kerry look like a well positioned man

[coryellco]

obama is an empty suit and will get his clock cleaned every time he is without his teleprompter he has no core values and he makes flip flop kerry look like a well positioned man

[dnsallday]

BREAKING NEWS
Conservatives have questions John McCains questionable switch from Episcopal to Baptist church but has never bothered to get baptized.

We have now learned that former Atheist John McCain has accepted Karl Rove into his heart as his true Savior.

[dnsallday]

Back in 2000, McCain clashed with then-Gov. George W. Bush over his unwillingness to change platform language that called for a human life amendment banning all abortions.

McCain implored Bush to join him in wanting to add exceptions for rape, incest, and danger to the life of the mother.

McCain''s desire to change the platform did not end in 2000.
During an April 14, 2007 media availability which followed the Iowa GOP''s Lincoln Day Dinner in Des Moines, McCain reaffirmed his support for changing the platform.

But now that he is the presumptive Republican nominee, the McCain camp is making it clear that he has no plans to push for changes to the platform.
McCain''s decision to leave the platform untouched follows a warning from a prominent social conservative.
"If he were to change the party platform," to account for exceptions such as rape, incest or risk to the mother''s life, "I think that would be political suicide," Tony Perkins, the president of the conservative Family Research Council, told ABC News in May.
"I think he would be aborting his own campaign because that is such a critical issue to so many Republican voters and the Republican brand is already in trouble."


I guess not aborting his Presidential campaign trumps principles for McBush.

[kansas1946]

McCain''''s view on conception is inconsistent with his support of embryonic stem cell research. If he believes in human rights at the moment of conception, then he ought to be against embryonic stem cell research.






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Posted by truthmatterz at 09:37 PM : Aug 20, 2008
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No, what he "says" about those issues is inconsistant, not his views. McCain is pro-choice and always has been. He just sucks up to the rabid-right when he has to.

[kansas1946]

McCain replied quickly: %u201CAt the moment of conception,%u201D and continued: %u201CI have a 25-year pro-life record in the Congress, in the Senate. And as president of the United States, I will be a pro-life president.%u201D

%u201CHe was just right out of the box,%u201D said Lynda Bell, the president of Florida Right to Life. %u201CMcCain was so incredibly decisive and he was so clear in his answers. There was no gray area.%u201D

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LOL. These "evangelicals" are a riot. They have two candidates.
Number one is an adulterer.
Number two is not.

Number one supports torture.
Number two does not.

Number one supports and unjustified war.
Number two does not.

Number one supports a president that lied, desicrated the constitution, and got 4000 plus solders killed because of his lies.

Number two does not.

I just wonder who Jesus would pick??

[dnsallday]

McCain''s view on conception is inconsistent with his support of embryonic stem cell research. If he believes in human rights at the moment of conception, then he ought to be against embryonic stem cell research.

[dnsallday]

Some conservatives were less impressed by McCain%u2019s performance. Bob Enyart, a director of Colorado Right to Life, called McCain%u2019s anti-abortion statements %u201Ca stunning contradiction to his entire political career,%u201D and criticized the presumptive GOP nominee for failing to support Mississippi Sen. Roger Wicker%u2019s proposed Life at Conception Act, which would attempt to extend legal protection to prenatal life.

%u201CEither he had a heartfelt conversion on Saturday, or this is more manipulative electioneering,%u201D Enyart said.%u201D
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SPREAD YOUR PROPAGANDA LIES SOMEWHERE ELSE LIB.

Posted by jackDems
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A bit reactive are we? If you had bothered to read this article above, that the comments are supposed to be about, you would have known that this quote was copied from the article .


Hopefully you will still be able to get your McCain Frequent Liar miles from your post anyway.

[jackdems]

Some conservatives were less impressed by McCain%u2019s performance. Bob Enyart, a director of Colorado Right to Life, called McCain%u2019s anti-abortion statements %u201Ca stunning contradiction to his entire political career,%u201D and criticized the presumptive GOP nominee for failing to support Mississippi Sen. Roger Wicker%u2019s proposed Life at Conception Act, which would attempt to extend legal protection to prenatal life.

%u201CEither he had a heartfelt conversion on Saturday, or this is more manipulative electioneering,%u201D Enyart said.%u201D
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SPREAD YOUR PROPAGANDA LIES SOMEWHERE ELSE LIB.

Voting Record:
Sen. McCain has an anti-choice record. He received the following scores on NARAL Pro-Choice America''s Congressional Record on Choice.

2007: 0 percent
2006: 0 percent
2005: 0 percent
2004: 0 percent
2003: 0 percent
2002: 0 percent
2001: Because only one choice-related vote was taken in 2001 %u2013 to confirm John Ashcroft as United States Attorney General %u2013 no numerical score was given for the year. Sen. McCain voted anti-choice.

[jackdems]

If Obama can%u2019t stand up to the Clintons, after they have been defeated, how can he measure up to a resurgent Putin who has just achieved a military victory? When the Georgia invasion first began, Obama appealed for %u201Crestraint%u201D on both sides.


He treated the aggressive lion and the victimized lamb even-handedly. His performance was reminiscent of the worst of appeasement at Munich, where another dictator got away with seizing another breakaway province of another small neighboring country, leading to World War II.

[jackdems]

OBAMA AND POLOSI ARE AGAINST DRILLING!!

MCCAIN - DRILL HERE DRILL NOW!!

I AM VOTING FOR MCCAIN

Last week raised important questions about whether Barack Obama is strong enough to be president. On the domestic political front, he showed incredible weakness in dealing with the Clintons, while on foreign and defense questions, he betrayed a lack of strength and resolve in standing up to Russia''s invasion of Georgia. This two-dimensional portrait of weakness underscores fears that Obama might, indeed, be a latter-day Jimmy Carter.

[jackdems]

Even Obama Camp admits Obama was Lieing.

Alas, the abandonment of babies to suffer and die on the modern equivalent of a Spartan cliff did not require confronting evil when Obama saw it. Indeed, Obama turned a blind eye, leading the battle to defeat Illinois'' version of the federal Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, which would have treated babies living, albeit briefly, outside the womb as, well, babies. He opposed the bill in 2003 (as he had a similar one in 2001), saying it would undermine Roe v. Wade. But even after Roe-neutral language was included - wording good enough that it won support for the federal version of the bill from abortion-rights stalwart Sen. Barbara Boxer - Obama remained unmoved.

Until this week, Obama denied that he ever took such a position. His campaign now admits that he was, in effect, lying when he said pro-lifers were lying about his record. But simultaneously, Obama defends a position that comes dismayingly close to the layman''s understanding of infanticide while claiming any other position would require him to play God.

[jackdems]

Obama Lies Again

Obama, commendably, told Warren that he wants to reduce the number of abortions. After all, he observed gravely, "we''ve had a president who is opposed to abortions over the last eight years, and abortions have not gone down." Unfortunately, Obama wasn''t telling the truth. The abortion rate is the lowest it''s been since 1974, partly because of pro-life policies under Bush, but also thanks to those implemented at the state level since the 1990s.

[dnsallday]

Some conservatives were less impressed by McCain%u2019s performance. Bob Enyart, a director of Colorado Right to Life, called McCain%u2019s anti-abortion statements %u201Ca stunning contradiction to his entire political career,%u201D and criticized the presumptive GOP nominee for failing to support Mississippi Sen. Roger Wicker%u2019s proposed Life at Conception Act, which would attempt to extend legal protection to prenatal life.

%u201CEither he had a heartfelt conversion on Saturday, or this is more manipulative electioneering,%u201D Enyart said.%u201D
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This is more the response you would see from somebody who (although they do have a particular belief system), still is able to do his own thinking and reasoning.

[dnsallday]

but truly, touting mccain''''s positives is a joke, unless you happen to be a wasp benefiting from the same policies that benefit bush and mccain.

Posted by smart4peace at 07:17 PM :
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My best guess is people who are accustomed to authority figures as a power over them get used to doing and believing whatever they are told "is right". So they give up trying to think for themselves and now can only deal in absolutes, so if somebody gives the answers in no uncertain terms, it satisfied what they have "learned'' in the past, and they never have to actually think about it, but just naturally accept it as "right".
Doesn''t matter if the answer is clearly canned, memorized or given before the question was asked. It keeps it simple.

On the other hand, when somebody has a depth of intelligence that allows their thought process to take many variations into consideration and is open to allow for exceptions, that doesn''t sit right with these people.
They now are forced into a position where they would actually have to really think about it themselves, which can be confusing if you aren''t used to thinking and have been taught that you have already been given all the ''right'' answers.

Many people don''t even realize they don''t think for themselves. They only know what they have been taught is ''right or wrong'' and they really aren''t free to decide for themselves at all.

[karronna]

WellHell3...

so...Which McCain is sincere?

Or which time was he "joking"...

[karronna]

or....let''s see...maybe he''s been "saved" since he made those comments and sees the light now...except...didn''t he communicate as one Christian to another with the cross in the sand thing back in Nam?...