Comments on: Clinton's Exit: When Push Came To Shove

Politico: Charles B. Rangel Was Behind Clinton's Exit From The Presidential Stage

[jean243]

TruUSA, that "secret" meeting May 31 was broadcast in full on TV!!! it was open to as many as could fit in the room!! You are pushing a lie. You must be a Republican.

[jean243]

It''s sad when Clinton must be pushed and shoved off stage. But the good news: There are many great self-made women who could be a VP for Obama. The woman governor of Alaska. Women in Congress, women in business.

[hinnis]

Sam: Obama losing the election will not ruin Hillary''s career. She will stump for him and be a good Democrat; that''s the best she can do. She cannot guarantee all of her supporters will vote for Obama, and she cannot be held responsible for those who do not. Far left Democratic Presidential candidates tend to lose elections. There''s nothing new in that.

[samthetvcat]

I mean like, what is the relationship between the two of them like? What does winning and losing earn the two of them if the votes were so close? Where do we all go from here? I''m slightly confused :/

[samthetvcat]

PS I would say that Barack probably has to make as good a good faith effort at trying to develop a workable relationship with Hillary as his VP as she''s making for him - if that''s what she really wants - so long as it doesn''t put the Dem chances of winning in jeopardy.

If Hillary decides she doesn''t want it, then he''s off the hook. If they broker a power-sharing agreement that they''re both happy with, then people will probably accept that and probably neither will want that relationship and they''ll both be off the hook. But if Hillary wants on the ticket and Barack doesn''t, it''s going to be obvious to people and slow the healing I think (?)

[samthetvcat]

---"We''ll deal with down-the-line issues later"---
Posted by hinnis

So you''re saying you''re essentially going to ruin Hillary''s career, you do realize that - because we''re all trying to show respect for the fact that what Hillary had to go out and do today was extremely hard, and will continue to be hard, but that it realistically may not be what was really needed to convert her supporters to Barack supporters, which she clearly has the power to do to a great extent. YOU might disagree with that assessment but I assure you that Barack supporters believe it to be true - if Barack loses, we''re taking Hillary down with him. She lifts him up, he''ll do the same in kind.

At least hopefully that''s the calculation he''s making! Because I DO see that Hillary is now essentially in the position of having to help make HIS dreams come true (which were her dreams too). Since only one of them would get the opportunity to live that dream, don''t we all sort of thinking that fairness dictates that he should have to help make Hillary''s next dream come true?

[hinnis]

SamTheTVCat said: PS hinnis - if Hillary supporters threaten to vote for McCain, what makes you think the next time Hillary needs something from people that Barack supporters won''''t vote against her? Doesn''''t sound like a very fruitful plan to me. PPS I''''m female
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That''s just a chance we''ll have to take. The immediate issue is that Obama is, in the view of many, a very dangerous fraud who must be stopped. We''ll deal with down-the-line issues later.

[samthetvcat]

PS hinnis - if Hillary supporters threaten to vote for McCain, what makes you think the next time Hillary needs something from people that Barack supporters won''t vote against her? Doesn''t sound like a very fruitful plan to me

PPS I''m female

[samthetvcat]

I think Hillary and Barack need to do a joint rally as soon as possible, and I would guess that she''s going to need to continue to be pushed into stuff like that.

But somebody needs to push Barack into feeling some of the pain that Hillary''s feeling because it''s totally showing that while Hillary''s being forced to do stuff for him, that he''s not being forced to do stuff for her. I don''t think it''s going to wash for him to have surrogates keep dropping hints that they''re not interested in having anything to do with Hillary.

Maybe in a traditional year they could get away with that, but this year I don''t think that''s going to wash (?)

[hinnis]

I think the DNC and party elite have grossly underestimated the fury they have unleashed by attempting to shove Obama down our throats. Now the the Democratic Party has become the party of disenfranchisement and racism, I have no allegiance to it. I''ve spoken to many people about this, and we feel that it''s our solemn responsibility to help defeat Obama in November. Better a centrist Republican (tempered by a Democratic House and Senate), than an inexperienced, ruthless, deceptive, divisive, racist black liberation theology believing, terrorist befriending, race card throwing Obama.

P.S. Hello Element51. Hope you''re having a nice day.

[element51]

GreatDriveW....Trying to have a rational discussion with Jack3213 is next to impossible. Like many of the right wing posters he is living in his own little world and does not want to be bothered with the facts. As for this "hinnis character, he just crawled out of the woodwork in the last day or so. His posts are so nasty and vile that I find it difficult to even read them as he has the ability to really pisss me off. I knew that sooner or later these jerks would start their unrelenting attacks and we will just have to get used to it. But not to worry...The American people are not idiots and Obama will win but we have to stand up this time and fight and not let them run over us like they have done in the past. Hang in there brother.

[jack3213]

Clinton speaks so much in vain about her suspended campaign and thanks all the people who gave her enourmous attention to feed her self serving ways. How ridiculous- She was never qualified, and either is Obama. They want the government to rule your life, Tax you to kingdon come, and tell you that you must have health care..Are you a puppet?

[hinnis]

WE WISH TO GO ON RECORD AND STATE THAT WE SUPPORT BARACK OBAMA. He is our lord and savior, and he shall deliver the world from sin.

Signed,

Louis %u201Cracist and proud of it%u201D Farrakhan
The Nation of Islam
Fidel Castro
Raul Castro
Hamas
The New Black Panther Party
Rev. %u201CGD America%u201D Wright
William "the bomb" Ayers
Raila %u201Cthe butcher%u201D Odinga
Daniel Ortega
Al %u201Cracial ambulance chaser%u201D Sharpton
Tony %u201Cthe indicted one%u201D Rezko
Father Pfleger
Oprah %u201CI used to go to Obama%u2019s church but got out just in time%u201D Winfrey

And various other racists, terrorists, thugs, dictators and indicted individuals.

[missglo]

Right is right. She knows that she will go down in History on her Behaviour. And Sen. Rangel was not going down with her. Heknows if she speaks racism against Obama, what do that tell Rangel and other Black supporters?

[slayrre007]

Hinnis...I am with you 100%...Barack Obama must be stopped. I many not agree with John McCain, but there is NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER that he is an American Patriot and that his allegiance is in America.

[slayrre007]

KEY POINTS ON BARACK OBAMA

Only 143 days in the US Senate before running for the Office of President

Gave an anti-war speech in 2002 before entering into the US Senate and without any risk to his political career

%u201CI can no more disown Rev. Wright as I could disown my white grandmother%u201D then%u2026.less than two weeks later%u2026he disowns Rev. Wright

Very personal friends with RACISTS Rev. Wright AND Rev. Pfleger of the Trinity United Church of Christ

Made sure that RE-VOTING efforst were blocked in both Michigan and Florida because he knew he would lose both%u2026.so much for unifier of the people

Most liberal voting record among all Congressmen (so much for bi-partisonship)

The United States is at war%u2026yet Barack Obama has ZERO foreign policy experience

Two muslim fathers who spent significant time raising Barack%u2019s as a child

Michelle Obama who has clearly made direct racist and anti-American statements before and after the start of the campaign

Personal friends with and has done business with Tony Rezko a corrupt business man who helped finance Barack%u2019s political career in Illinios

[hinnis]

I would recommend to all Hillary Clinton supporters and Independents who understand the importance of stopping Obama, that we stop wasting our time debating and arguing with the morons who support him. God himself could come down and label Obama a racist liar, and they would not believe it. We need to use the Internet to keep in touch, keep us fired up, and to spread the word about assisting in the defeat of Obama. Hillary supporters have a very important role in this. We are Democrats, and if we can split the vote, we can assure his defeat in November.

[slayrre007]

REASONS WHY HILLARY CLINTON IS LOSING

She believed the American people would be smart enough to see through a fruad like Barack Obama... her biggest mistake.

She was outspent nearly 2-1 in this campaign (some states 3-1)

A lot of Red states (that will go straight to the Republicans during the general election) voted for Barack Obama early on in order to keep Hillary Clinton out

The media protected Barack Obama and refused to expose his "garbage" and the media''s sexist abuse of Hillary see Kieth Obermann, Chris Matthews, Tim Russert, etc)

Barack Obama%u2019s questionable funding coming from two of the poorest groups in all past elections (college students and blacks)

Blatant prejudice by the black community giving 90% plus of their vote to Barack because his skin color is black DESPITE the Clinton%u2019s 30 years of supporting, working, and fighting for minorities.

The internal push by Democratic leaders such as Pelosi, Reid, and Dean to get superdelegates to support Barack Obama

The UN-DEMOCRATIC Caucus system....

EXAMPLE:

The TalkLeft analysis noted that Clinton won 11 more delegates than Obama in the New Jersey primary, which she won by 112,128 votes, while Obama won 12 more delegates than Clinton in the Idaho caucuses which he won by 13,225 votes.

Similarly, Clinton netted 12 delegates by winning the Pennsylvania primary by 214,115 votes, while Obama came out ahead by 14 delegates by winning the Kansas caucuses by 17,710 votes.

[slayrre007]

BARACK OBAMA ENDORSERS AMERICANS SHOULD KNOW ABOUT

Fidel Castro - former President of Cuba

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad - Iran%u2019s President

Ahmed Yousef - representative of Hamas the terrorist organization and a mass social, political and religious movement.

Louis Farrakhan - leader of the Black Panther Party and Nation of Islam

Bill Ayers - terrorist radical who helped bombed the Pentagon, the Capitol, and other buildings.

Rev. Jeremiah Wright - former Senior Pastor of the Trinity United Church of Christ

Father Michael Pfleger - the liberal activist and longtime friend and associate of Sen. Barack Obama,

[libra127]

"Suspend" means she will try every dirty trick in the book to "win" at the Convention.

Posted by Jean243 at 01:41 PM : Jun 07, 2008

Jean, use of the term "suspend" is a legal matter that has to do with wrapping up the financial issues of a campaign. For example, John Edwards also "suspended" his campaign. It has nothing to do with dirty tricks or what happens at the convention.