Comments on: Florida Dems May Get A Recount

Politico: Plan To Redo Primary Using Mail-In Ballots Moves Forward

[jack99123]

Even now in Texas , Hillary won Texas in the Primary and Obama won in the Caucus part of the election. Nowhere else in the world , Caucuses are done to run any election . Caucuses can easily be manipulated by hiring a lot of volunteers for $100 to $1000 for one or two week period. These paid volunteers then bring all their friends to come to attend the Caucus and the candidate who spent the most money for hiring paid volunteers wins the Caucus. Since Obama raised more money , he spent more on hiring these paid volunteers mostly university students and unemployed workers and this is why he won most of the caucus states. He also won other primary states where there was a large percentage of African Americans and other states where he was able to outspend Hillary 4 to 1, like in Wisconsin.

[jack99123]

The GAMES are now over. The election in November is the real thing .The winner takes all the electoral votes in any state even though he wins by only one vote in that state. No more Caucuses and no more 4 to 1 money advantage to one candidate over the other. Hillary Clinton, has already won all the big states . Obama''s inexperience clearly shows here but it is too late for him. Hillary has 267 electoral votes from all the states she has won. Obama has 202 electoral vote including Wyoming & Missisipi. If we give Pennsylvania to Clinton and all the remaining states to Obama , Clinton will have 288 electoral votes while Obama will have 254. You tell me now who should be on top of the ticket?

[jack99123]

DNC %u2018s Chairman and some others, unknowingly devised the most ridiculous method for allocation of delegates rather than using a simple method where WINNER TAKES ALL the delegates in a state . That is the method which was used by the Republicans and they have a winner. Democrats need to use the same method for picking our winner and that is NO ROCKET SCIENCE to understand. The general Election in November will be run like that. The General Election is the Super Bowl and current primaries are the Playoffs. Have you ever heard that the rules for the Playoffs should be different from the rules for the Super Bowl?So let us take the count with WINNER TAKE ALL method. Hillary has already 1741 delegates from the states she has won and Obama has 1218 delegates . If she wins only Pennsylvania out of the remaining states, she will have 1892 delegates and Obama will have 1580. Now tell me who should be on top of the ticket?

[jack99123]

Why are Hillary and Obama spending $300 million more in the next 3 months to find this out ? Will it not be better if we could spend that against the Republicans to get Fillibuster %u2013 proof majorities in the Congress?It is about time the Super Delegates intervene and put some sense into heads of Supporters of Obama & Hillary? No matter what you or Hillary do now, neither of you will get 2208 delegates no matter how many primaries you win . The total number of delegates is 4414 . To win each of you needs at least 2208 delegates. Neither of you will get that number before the convention no matter how many of these super delegates you bribe by offering them financial help in their election efforts directly or indirectly or promising them ( wink, wink) VP spot on your ticket. (This kind of BRIBING in elections is illegal in all other civilized countries )If either of you is not willing to listen , we have a TRAIN WRECK in the making, if we do not have a nominee till the Convention in August. The MEDIA will continue to instigate you to go on because that is the only way they will earn the $300 million from both of you in advertising etc.. Please wake up and go for the DREAM TICKET !!!

[smyers161]

March 11 Caucus, NY Times political blog, stated;"FLORIDA DEMOCRATIC OFFICIALS ANNOUNCED THAT THEY ARE STICKING WITH JAN.29 AS THE OFFICIAL PRIMARY DATE, EVEN THOUGH THE NATIONAL PARTY HAS RULED THAT THE MOVE WILL STRIP THEM OF THEIR DELEGATES AND THE TOP CANDIDATES HAVE PLEDGED NOT TO CAMPAIGN THERE." Quit trying to blame others for the failures of your own party. Independents have known for a long time that neither party is what they appear, but lately the Dems seem to be the most hateful and counterproductive to our country. If Dems would DO what they SAY, They would win. However, they hate so deeply, they fight with each other and blame the Pubs for everything.

[godseyesore-2009]

Can anything be more screwy than Florida politics?
They can''t do anything correctly. Now they want to do it all again. Dolts.

[hockeymanvt]

The Obama and Clinton campaigns should co-fund this process and agree in advance that they will build a ticket of Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama depending upon the FINAL combined results of the various primaries and caucuses. Taking back this nation is MUCH too important to risk at this late date.

[hoopakai]

Check this out:

http://thepage.time.com/obama-foreign-policy-memo/

[stn_sage]

1. If a state legislature---whether it is controlled by democrats or republicans---passes a law stating the primary (ies) will be held on a specific date, the respective national party organization CANNOT overturn state law! It''s as simple as that! Unfortunately, this creates a situation where one party can ''goon'' the other if they''re in control! And in the case of Florida, this year it happened!

2. I think federal election law should be amended to prevent this ability to scuttle or interfer with the other parties'' primary!

[nolalou]

"PUNISH THOSE INDIVIDUALS RESPONSIBLE FOR MOVING FLORIDA''''S PRIMARY AHEAD OF DNC RULES." Posted by IRLiberal

Since the primary date in Florida was set by the Republican controlled legislature, and signed by the Republican Governor, I guess they have to arrest them all? Not that it would bother me in the least, but that''s not going to happen! I don''t think the party should have to pay for a new election! The legislature and governor caused this mess, let them pay for it! Then , next time they are up for re-election, the Democrats can run ads reminding voters of how much money it cost to hold another election, due to the fact the Republican''s screwed up!

[stn_sage]

Note- My post should be amended to read:

4. Howard Dean is correct in the way he''''s handled this so far---state delegations should NOT be rewarded for breaking known party rules! Stick to your guns, Mr.Dean!

Sorry about that!

[smyers161]

I don''t listen to Limbaugh. Just like a Democrat to assume that everyone that doesn''t agree with you are underinformed. The Pubs cannot control the DNC. If they didn''t want their primary moved, they could have held it on a different date. Just another case of blaming everyone else for their own ineffeciency. I have no love for the Pubs, but come on, Democrats are the most hate-filled people on the internet. You hate Bush, Rush, McCain. Florida and Michigan should have seen it coming and nipped it in the bud. Why would the DNC penalize their constituents for the decision of the GOP? They should have protested and kept their original date or at least raised Cain. Lots of states hold their primaries and caucuses seperately. They did nothing but penalize those who vote for them.

[stn_sage]

1. The mess in Florida was created by the GOP! The republican-controlled state legislature passed the law moving up the date and the republican govenor Crist, signed it! An amendment exempting the democratic party was put forward and voted down by republicans. So now, the GOP sits back, laughs, and says, ''boy, didn''t we screw things up for you guys?!"

2. The Republican Natl Committe(RNC) or Florida state republicans should be required to pay, or a lawsuit taken against them to pay for any future recount.

3. The mail-in recount will probably be better than nothing. But, simply giving the delegates to Senator Clinton CANNOT be done, when the other candidates didn''t campaign there in observance of the rule violation by Florida state democrats.

4. Howard Dean is correct in the way he''s handled this so far---state delegations should be rewarded for breaking known party rules! Stick to your guns, Mr.Dean!

[sdiotla]

smyers, IRLiberal, The date for the Florida primary was set by the REPUBLICAN controlled Florida legislature, not the Dems. The Dems should have boycotted the early date and set up and independantly funded their primary when the nation Dem committe WOULD have approved the result, rather than hoping to barge into legitimacy. By the way, both Clinton and Obama agreed to not campaign in Florida prior to the primary and did not. Both of you are very under-informed and should do more research than listen to Rush.

[singingrick]

Both candidates signed an agreement not to campaign in Florida and Michigan because the two states violated the rules. Hillary was the only name on the ballot in Michigan. This is ridiculous. A mail in Florida ballot would be ripe for the kind of corrupt manipulation that we''ve seen in Florida before.

[smyers161]

Why can''t Florida Dems ever get it right? There always seems to be some kind of snafu in Florida and it''s always the Dems. If they wanted their votes to be counted, they should have followed the rules. They had time to switch back and comply.
I believe in a re-vote, but only for those who voted the first time. The lazy ones and those who thought "What''s the point" gave up their right the first "GO-round".
If the Dems don''t wake up and get themselves together, we''ll have 4 more Pub years to deal with. As an Indie, I''ll be watching closely. Anything shady and I''ll vote the other way.
And you are right,IRLiberal, punish those responsible to prevent more of the same

[irliberal]

I agree that votes are needed in Florida and Michigan. Their voters should never have been disenfranchised.

HOWEVER - the person or persons responsible in Florida for moving their primary ahead - violating DNC rules - and causing this whole mess - should be PUNISHED. How DARE they cause this problem - Florida is just a state like any other - it isn''t a special case, except in that it''s been a special PROBLEM case the last few elections.

PUNISH THOSE INDIVIDUALS RESPONSIBLE FOR MOVING FLORIDA''S PRIMARY AHEAD OF DNC RULES. And ... have your primary normally now so we know how your state votes.