Comments on: Debate Over Vaccines And Autism/ADD

[aware4autism]

autismdr-
"The govt case only indicated there was an encephalopathy "with autistic features".

-Yes, enough autistic features to receive a dx of autism. Autism is a dx based on behavior alone, without ruling out ANYTHING else.

"That has mistakenly, and conveniently, morphed into "autism". There are many conditions with autistic like SYMPTOMS that are not "autistic disorders".

-Yes, namely being vaccine/ febrile induced encephalopathy, which looks just like autism.

"The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their right name,"

-Yes, vaccine injury

"and if we are to find the cause of autistic disorder(s), we need to be careful in separating autistic-like traits and behaviors from autism more narrowly, and carefully, defined"

-Perhaps we need to start identifying the subgroups. Not all autistic individuals have the same cause of their autism.

[craigwillo]

autismdr:
Wow, that''s funny. She was diagnosed with DSM-IV autism before the case. My son was diagnosed with a vaccine induced fever which caused an encepalopathy and was later diagnosed with autism.

Funny how the doctors and lawyers use medical double-speak to mince words and obfuscate the fact that vaccines caused autism in these children.

So, before the court case, she was diagnosed with DSM-IV autism, but after the case, she no longer has autism. Wow!! I just found the cure for autism. Send your kid to vaccine court!!

Doc, if it looks like a duck and acts like a duck, it goes "Quack!"

[autismdr]

The govt case only indicated there was an encephalopathy "with autistic features". That has mistakenly, and conveniently, morphed into "autism". There are many conditions with autistic like SYMPTOMS that are not "autistic disorders". The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their right name, and if we are to find the cause of autistic disorder(s), we need to be careful in separating autistic-like traits and behaviors from autism more narrowly, and carefully, defined

[eastcoast251]

I have been following this story with great interest and concern. I am pro-vax but am very conflicted about the combined live virus vaccines. When I look back at vax records from the late 1960s, MMR was not even combined yet (happened in 1975), measles was given at around age 1, mumps, and rubella around age 5 and 9, and rubella again around age 14. We all know there were a lot less vaccines given to Generation X overall, and the interesting thing is why I cannot remember ever knowing anyone with Autism growing up - this seems to be true for many of us born in the 60''s/70''s. The question is simply, why not and what variables do we need to investigate that have contributed to a surge in autism? This is not just an environmental issue, though it could play a part. This is not just parents giving birth later in life, though it could play a part. We need honest dialogue on the part of those who influence the schedule and those who have concerns about the schedule. It''s the right thing to do, and an honest dialogue considers all sides of an argument, without judgment and defensiveness.

[aware4autism]

btw Jayne, had my ped not argued with me for 1 1/2 yrs, not believing me until we saw every specialist under the sun, they may have been able to INTERVENE EARLY on the medical condition my daughter was suffering. But instead, we were told "she is autistic, be positive, and get what little therapy Florida offers"

I am all for early behavioral intervention as well as MEDICAL intervention!

see, if you can''t fix what is going wrong in the brain and immune system, therapy doesn''t stand a chance of being fully effective.

[aware4autism]

Jayne Lytel,, while I am all for promoting early identification, what you must understand is that these (thimerosal laden) vaccines remained on the shelves (some into 2004). Also, there is the flu shot, which STILL has mercury.

McCarthy''s son also had seizures, not all autistic kids do. Just as not all autistic kids are the same, neither is the cause of their autism. My daughter did not receive thimerosal in any of her vaccines, but did have a severe adverse reaction to the combo she got at 17 months, then regressed. Turns out she has immunodeficiency, and should not have had the vax.

[craigwillo]

Jayne, you may also want to check the FDA''s site. Until last year, thimerosal was in the DTaP, the HepB and many flu shots. That means it wasn''t removed. That is simply a case of the pHARMa-scum (tm) playing a shell game and moving THEIR goal posts.

[craigwillo]

Jayne, her case is not unique. Infact, there was another child (Krakow, I believe) who had the exact same condition and his case was also conceded. Wow...this is getting to be a common occurence for these "unique circumstances"

Unique means that it is singular, only once. If there is more than one unique occurence, then it isn''t unique, is it?

[craigwillo]

"Why didn''''t Dr. Poling reveal a potential conflict of interest in "Developmental regression and mitochondrial dysfunction in a child with autism," the 2006 Journal of Child Neurology study he co-authored?"

ANB, why didn''t the pHARMa-scum (tm) Pauly prOffit reveal his multiple conflicts of interest during his tenure on the advisory board of the CDC? Or his conflicts of interest when pushing across his Rotateq virus? You never did answer those questions in any of the conversations we''ve ever had.

[jaynelytel]

Since a federal court conceded in March that an Atlanta girl developed autism from vaccines %u2014 a ruling that in my opinion does not set a precedent given the unique circumstances of that case %u2014 the messages of early detection, diagnosis and treatment are being squeezed out and overrun by fingering easy blame on vaccines and advocating treatments with no credible proof of effectiveness. Ms. Jenny McCarthy, for example, asserts that vaccines caused her son''s autism. Yet, her son was born in 2002, a year after the vaccine culprit %u2014 mercury %u2014 was removed from the childhood vaccination series. She also credits a special diet with helping to make her son whole.

Jayne Lytel
Act Early Against Autism
www.jaynelytel.com