Comments on: What Happens If U.S. Leaves Iraq?

The Skinny: Military Experts Disagree With Bush Prediction That Al Qaeda Will Seize Control

[ramos937]

A good question but a better one would be what would happen to the USA if we withdraw?

The administration says our FY deficit should be around $300B. Each month, we spend $12B in Iraq - this means about $144B annually. The deficit would be cut by nearly 1/2.

And/Or
We could make a very good start at Universal Health insurance for our uninsured citizens.

And/or
We could fix social security and medicare.

And/or
We could give our military enlisted/lower ranking officers a good living wage.

And/or
We could fix our roads

And/or
We could make our government run more efficiently.

And/or
We could begin to repair international relations. If we had another 9/11 in 2007, many countries would say we had it coming. Not like 9/12/2001, when every country in the world (except the PLO where we now are giving millions), including Cuba wanted to help us.

The list is endless.

But, what do we do instead. We spend $144B (plus) on a country where the citizens feel it is ok to kill American soldiers, demonstrate againist us and burn the American flag, steal aid dollars from us, do not alert our guys where the IEDs are, etc.
Is that sane?

Folks - there is a real war on terror and we have to fight it. But, we have been fighting it in the wrong way. We have to find a much better way and I do not mean turn the other cheek.

[hungry1968]

"What would happen if U.S. combat forces left Iraq?"


There's only one true scenario that's going to play out - it's going to turn into the biggest killing ground this country has seen in years. Whether the place explodes into civil war, or al Qaeda moves in and takes over, or the Shiite's and Sunni's go into all out mode, it's going to be nothing but mayhem.

All at the feet of George Bush and his republican enablers.

[lars008-2009]

UN MAKES NON MUSLIMS SLAVES
And Dhimmitude For All
Another arena requiring testimony is dhimmitude in Western institutions. This is %u201Cepitomized,%u201D writes Mark Durie, %u201Cin the slavish attitude adopted by Mary Robinson, UN High Commissioner for Human Rights,%u201D in a 2002 statement to the Organization of the Islamic Conference Symposium on Human Rights in Islam in Geneva. Like a dhimmi, she affirmed the greatness and moral superiority of Islam, implying inferiority of non-Muslim infidels, and denied any possible voice of protest against Islamic abuses of human rights.
Not surprisingly, Islamism is growing at the UN, too. On August 5, 1990, explains David Littman, the 19 members of the Islamic Conference of Foreign Ministers adopted the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam (CDHRI). This document very specifically subjugates all human rights to those accorded by Islam. [1] The CDHRI totally contradicts the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR). Yet the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights in December 1997 published it, establishing its authority as a quotable UN source. For example, the 26-member Sub-Commission on Human Rights referred to it in the preamble of a resolution adopted on August 21, 1998. [2] That Islamic human rights is gaining ascendancy and credence at the UN should be of concern to all Human Rights activists and organizations.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17637

[lars008-2009]

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DHIMMI: A BRIEF OVERVIEW

Conditional protection. The protection of the Dhimmi is withdrawn if the Dhimmi rebels against Islamic law, gives allegiance to non-Muslim power (such as Israel), refuses to pay the poll-tax, entices a Muslim from his faith, or harms a Muslim or his property. If the protection is lifted, jihad resumes. For example, Islamists in Egypt who pillage and kill the Copts do so because they no longer pay their poll-tax and therefore are no longer protected.
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[lars008-2009]

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DHIMMI: A BRIEF OVERVIEW
DEFINITION: The status of People of the Book (Jews and Christians) under Islamic rule.
7th-21st century. The notion of Dhimmitude, originating in the 7th century, still applies today to non-Muslims under Islamic rule%u2014whether Jews or Christians, whether in Saudi Arabia or in Sudan. Dhimmitude began in 628 CE when Mohammed and his forces conquered the Jewish oasis at Khaybar. They massacred many of the Jews and forced the rest to accept a pact ("Dhimma") which rendered them inferior to their Muslim conquerors. Over the centuries, the ideology of Dhimmitude expanded into a formal system of religious apartheid.

Institutionalized apartheid. In Shari%u2019a law, there are official discriminations against the Dhimmi, such as the poll-tax or jizya.
No legal rights. Jews may not testify in court against a Muslim and have no legal right to dispute or challenge anything done to them by Muslims. There is no such thing as a Muslim raping a Jewish woman; there is no such thing as a Muslim murdering a Jew (at most, it can be manslaughter). In contrast, a Jew who strikes a Muslim is killed.

Humiliation and vulnerability. Jews and Christians had to walk around with badges or veils identifying them as Jews or Christians. The yellow star that Jews had wear in Nazi Germany did not originate in Europe. It was borrowed from the Muslim world where it was part of the apartheid system of Dhimmitude.

[gracchus1]

cdfoxtrot,

Your observation is correct, however, I think we all know that the U.S. will not be leaving Iraq for years, if not decades. The oil there is too profitably lucrative for oil companies to ignore. That is why Bush is pushing the Iraqi Parliament to hurriedly pass a law allowing private companies to control Iraqi oil. And Iran is next on the list. It is all about the oil and money. Both trails tragically lead to the same endpoint: destroyed countries.

[cdfoxtrot]

Tough one. Maybe, just maybe, things would get worse (if that's possible) and then get better, in the event of American withdrawal. Is Vietnam not the best modern example of disastrous military intervention by the US? What happened there? It quickly stablized as soon as the Americans pulled out, stable government gradually took steps toward a market-based economy. Today, Vietnam is friendly towards the US and is relatively prosperous. They didn't go launching terror attacks on the US - despite the terrible atrocities committed by the Americans over there, including the use of Agent Orange. Why is it so unthinkable that an American withdrawal from Iraq would have no such benefits?

[gracchus1]

Iraq IS A MESS! It could not get any worse if we leave!

[donnie900]

Thats a buncha crappp! Get out, and mind your own business. Its very simple.

Thats the whole point! You don't manage the world. The world manages itself.

[roach9703]

It would be EXTREMELY irresponsible to pull out U.S. Troops quickly. The result would be a humanitarian disaster like the Armenian massacre of the World War I.
We screwed up here, no doubt. But,we do not want to compound the felony. The U.S. has to work with Europe and the states in the region to work out solutions for the Shia, the Kurds and the Sunnis.
This will involve much territorial reorganization and military coordination with the nations of Europe, and the Middle East. We don't really have any other choice.