Comments on: Setback In Fla. Democrat's Election Fight

Court Rules Against Christine Jennings' Call For New Vote, Appeal Coming

[defirststate]

It's not a liberal v conservative concern. Elections form the basis of our democratic republic, elections must be fair and accurate results reported. It's an American thing.

ES&S machines have both lost and created votes. ES&S forced Hawaii's first recount. In Dallas the ES&S system ignored 12% or 41,000 votes. In Florida, Miami-Dade lost 8.2% of votes in 31 pcnts, 103,222 or 22% votes were lost for a time.

Errors in either direction are unacceptable. Voting systems require transparency. It's an interesting aside, but brothers Bob and Todd Urosevich's companies, ES&S & Diebold record and tabulate 80% of this country's votes. Without implying any culpability, "Trust us" is just not enough. Trust but Verify. Trade secrets can't be allowed to prevent verifying election results. Accidental or otherwise, there too many ways to compromise the process. Trade secrets means secret, unverifiable vote counting.

A combination touch screen-optical scan system can be fast and provide verifiability. The touch screen prints a scanable ballot, the voter checks it and deposits it to be scanned and tabulated. It improves upon manually marked optical scan ballots by consistently marked choices, with no X's, checks nor partially filled circles. Manual recounts of random pcnts can statistically verify results, and a full manual recount can always be performed. Paper ballots' reliability and computer tabulations' speed.

[jw218389]

Welcome to Florida politics - we all got a dose in 2000. If developers and Big Sugar (funded by all of us taxpayers BTW) don't like you they will make sure you don't win...even if you did.

Don't forget the CEO of Diebold (maker of many of the computerized voting machines) said he would, "deliver the presidency to G.W. Bush" and he won - hmmmmm.... wonder how that happened?

These machies are as easily manipulated as the service technicians that work on them. It only takes one "improper service procedure" to throw the election to the GOP.

As long as the total amount of voters in the precint matches there is NO WAY TO AUDIT AN ELECTRONIC VOTE. Your vote counts only when "they" want it to count.

[randalds]

""I know republicans think that all American voters are ignorant idiots, morons and the incredibly stupid ""

In your case......it's true.



Posted by missAmerica4 at 11:20 AM : Dec 31, 2006


Real good one there. Ouch. What's next? "I know you are but what am I?" Or the ever classic "I'm rubber and you're glue?"

Growing up was never a priority for you was it?

[kstrisha]

If every vote truly counts, then WE THE PEOPLE should not be denied access to our own votes.

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Quote: Holt plans to reintroduce legislation mandating electronic voting machines to generate a voter verifiable paper trail as backup.

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This is what needs to be done to protect the validity of any election no matter "who" wins or loses...

[condumism]

A Florible judge, loyal to corporate interests over the rule of law and order shows the world again that America is a country bought and paid for by money, and nothing more.

[catt42701]

Programmers are just like the rest of the world and it might not have been programers at the company. A loyal programmer at the local level could have done the job. Hackers abound. I believe the company should allow the check on the programming. It could say that they do not suspect it to be a glitch at their level. What they are doing is hiding the fact that the glitch could have happened at their lable. They should compair their record of the programming to what the machine actually had on it when the voting took place. I'm sure they documented their programming, if they didn't they are fools.

[catt42701]

Not a thing liberal about wanting a revote in Florida. As above, it was just too big of a precentage that missed the vote. There is no paper proof. There is a very narrow win by the Republican. In 2000 there was a question about the vote and recount was stopped by the Supreme Court which led to a did he really win situation. A re-vote in that county on paper would show if the GOP really won and all those people really didn't cast their vote on that race. Just proof. Why would any Republicans be afraid of that?

[cmdrgmh]

There needs to be a re-vote. The percentage is too high to be accidental. Sounds like some cracked hack. Anyone with any computer skills can manipulate numbers. Since all those machines use are memory cards. Paper ballods dont lie people and people who program machines DO!

[melcarnahan]

They perfected election tampering techniques in Broward County elections long before 2004. Diebold Miami worked alongside Bush Backers. Bush's handling of Saddam shows that Bush will always be America's Sore Loserman.

[jn122736]

"The only time there is an election fraud is when the Democrats come up short."

Posted by john97068 at 01:49 PM : Dec 31, 2006

Makes you wonder if ES&S and Diebold didn't under estimate the tide of angry voter turnout in Novemger doesn't it?