Comments on: Florida Recount, 2006-Style

Large 'Undervote' In Hot House Race Raises Voting Machine Concerns

[feelfree1]

You addressed "big government" twice, and that is what I was responding to. There is no bigger government than the one which is currently disgracing our country, and that's why I mentioned the name of the political party that is most reponsible,which happens to be the Republicans.

[processor2]

FeelFree1

I compared Bill Clinton to JF Kennedy. Neither was a Republican.

Since you specifically addressed both me & what I wrote; and since you completely missed the point, then yes, I will correct you and tell you to re-read my post.

Geez, even my brother's eight-year old has more sense than that.


Oh well, breaks over,back to work.

[feelfree1]

processor2,

Why is that important? Do I need your permission before I can mention something that you have not addressed?

[processor2]

FeelFree1

You need to re-read my post

NOWHERE in my post did I mention Republicans

[feelfree1]

processor2,

"Big government" is something that true conservatives have been opposed to for a long time. Since the Bush regime has spent tax dollars like drunken sailors, borrowing more than one TRILLION dollars to implement their failed policies, giving away billions to their rich buddies, sacrificing massive amounts of blood and treasure on illegal war, and pushing through intrusive freedom-hating big government legislation such as the PATRIOT Act, Homeland Security, and the Uber-fascistic Military Commissions Act, TRUE conservatives are abandoning the financially and morally bankrupted Republican Party in droves.

[processor2]

Rather than comparing republicans vs. democrats (an argument which never goes anywhere),
let%u2019s instead compare democrat vs. democrat..%u2026let%u2019s say Clinton vs. J.F. Kennedy.

The Clinton and current Democrat philosophy on governing/government is:

%u201CBig Government will provide for you%u201D, &
%u201CFrom cradle to grave, Big Government will take care of you%u201D, &
%u201CIt takes a Village%u201D (Big Government)


Whereas J.F. Kennedy said :

%u201CAsk NOT what your country can do for you, but rather what you can do for your country%u201D

These two philosophies (both democrat) are completely opposite of each other.

I would much rather be a J.F. Kennedy democrat than a Clinton socialist.

J.F. Kennedy also instituted tax cuts on the top rates to spur a sluggish economy. (hmmmm%u2026%u2026.sounding familiar)

Sounds like the NeoCommies have hijacked a democrat party that I once knew and respected.



PS

And thank you webdepot for constantly proving my point. way too easy.

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[nigeld3]

It seems incredible that Brazil, an underdeveloped country, can successfully operate an electronic voting system nation-wide but the great USA cannot.

[pakaal]

HAVA passed in 2002, so I can guess who the majority in power were in Congress then. I'd like to see the breakdown of votes. Not nitpicking, but Bob Ney was the sponsor of the HAVA bill, so I know it was a Republican-backed bill. That being said, the Senate overwhelmingly backed it, the House not as strongly but enough.

Shoot, nobody asked ME if I wanted those machines, I like the Oregon system of vote by mail.

[processor2]

Rather than comparing republicans vs. democrats (an argument which never goes anywhere),
let%u2019s instead compare democrat vs. democrat..%u2026let%u2019s say Clinton vs. J.F. Kennedy.

The Clinton and current Democrat philosophy on governing/government is:

%u201CBig Government will provide for you%u201D, &
%u201CFrom cradle to grave, Big Government will take care of you%u201D, &
%u201CIt takes a Village%u201D (Big Government)


Whereas J.F. Kennedy said :

%u201CAsk NOT what your country can do for you, but rather what you can do for your country%u201D

These two philosophies (both democrat) are completely opposite of each other.

I would much rather be a J.F. Kennedy democrat than a Clinton socialist.

J.F. Kennedy also instituted tax cuts on the top rates to spur a sluggish economy. (hmmmm%u2026%u2026.sounding familiar)

Sounds like the NeoCommies have hijacked a democrat party that I once knew and respected.



PS

And thank you webdepot for constantly proving my point. way too easy.

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[feelfree1]

In summary, the Republicans "won" in Florida, 2000, by illegitimately "scrubbing" tens of thousands of likely Democrat voters from the roles.

Republicans "won" in 2002, using a combination o vote fraud techniques and by terrorizing the US public with the false "threat from Iraq, just a month before the elections.

In 2004 they "won" using Diebold electronic voting machine manipulation, as well as by denying the votes of soldiers serving overseas.

The Democrats failed to confront the Republicans each time.

Check out www.gregpalast.com and www.blackboxvoting.org for more information.

Good to see CBS covering this important issue. They were only a few years too late with this story.

[pakaal]

There are two Republican-requested recounts that I know of, Rob Simmons in Connecticut and Max Burns in Georgia, so the theory that it's only the Democrats asking for recounts is rubbish. Frankly, Democrat or Republican, if the win was down to 166 votes (like Connecticut), I'd ask for a recount too, just like the Republicans did.

Bear in mind too, that an automatic recount kicks in whenever the count is too close, Democrat or Republican.

Finally, as this article shows, there's an appearance of a problem in the machine tally. If you went to an ATM and asked for $60 but only got $40 out, Republican or Democrat, wouldn't you run to the bank to clear up the problem? I think people on both sides of the political spectrum would be worried about these possible miscounts, and would wait until the confusion was cleared up before blaming one or the other party for the problem.

[feelfree1]

pakaal,

Check out the "Help America Vote Act" voted for by Republicans and Democrats alike. This act is responsibe for the implementation of electronic voting machines. Kerry supported the Act, and the electronic voting machines that were installed as a result, were used to "defeat" Kerry in Ohio, in 2004.

The Democrats were warned about this, but they ignored it, choosing instead to focus their efforts towards defaming the only qualified candidate in the race, Ralph Nader.

[pakaal]

janem4, that's the second time you've said that it was the Democrats who wanted the voting machines in the first place. Can you post a link or anything to support that? Or anyone on this comments board who can give me some proof? I remember Democrats saying the system was flawed, but not that the Dems specifically wanted these voting machines. Just wondering....

[feelfree1]

For a look back at the 2000 Florida pResidential vote fraud effort, check out:

www.ericblumrich/gta.html

for a nice Flash presentation summary. (Speakers on)

[rochest]

another article in the long series of problems with the electronic voting machines. Paper ballots would go a long way to legitimizing these machines. Let's hope the Democratic Congress will make this a top priority since its seems to me that it is only in their hotly contested races that any problem exists.

[webdepot]

Thank you processor2 for once again demonstrating your level of intellect and maturity.

[webdepot]

Unfortunately, with these machines there is no recourse, no recount, no options to challenge..
It is highly suspicious that the absentee ballots showed a 2% undervote as did the optical scan mahines in other neighborhoods.. but unless a comprhensive test of these machines can reproduce the fact that votes are dropped, a suspicion it will always be..

[processor2]

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So, George Allen of Virginia and Conrad Burns of Montana both conceded their Senate race. But that's what Republicans do.....they lose, they concede.

If Allen & Burns had been Democrats, here's what would have happened.

They would have demanded recounts, gotten lawyers, claimed the electronic voting machines were rigged, and CBS posters would be claiming the elections were stolen.

I guess that's the difference between Republicans and Democrats

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[webdepot]

OMG... processor2 is back from his nap...
It's really getting boring reading this same post everywhere I go... is copy and paste really the best you can do??

[processor2]

So, George Allen of Virginia and Conrad Burns of Montana both conceded their Senate race. But that's what Republicans do.....they lose, they concede.

If Allen & Burns had been Democrats, here's what would have happened.

They would have demanded recounts, gotten lawyers, claimed the electronic voting machines were rigged, and CBS posters would be claiming the elections were stolen.

I guess that's the difference between Republicans and Democrats

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