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j_flood says:
I would like to take a sample of franchised companies and lay a map of their of retail outlets over the retail outlet map of GM. I'm sure the rules of a modern franchise would not allow the amount of GM stores that exist today. The reduction in the number of GM stores is understandable and shouldn't be a surprise to anyone unless their looking for a typewriter repair shop!
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rhs648 says:
Eastern Airlines, Pacific Southwest Airlines, Pan American Airlines, and others failed. they were huge companies with a long history and thousands of employees. Their planes were bought up by other airlines, the best of the employees went to work for other airlines, and you can still get on a plane and fly from any major city to any major city for a good price. Why aren't the car companies allowed to fail? The cars we drive will still be built mostly in the US. They will just be built by competitive companies like Honda, Toyota and Nissan.
Posted by jamesguy

Exactly. You provide an insightful analysis that is correct.
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rhs648 says:
I drive a Ford product but it didn't have to be a Ford...as I've owned Dodge, Pontiac, Mercury.... Smart choices were a big part of my decision....I'm beginning to think only Ford will survive this even though they still have a way to go. Smarter management at Ford has helped them though not as much as I'd have liked.
Posted by rowdy6680

Rowdy - It appears that Ford avoided the trap that GM and Chrysler fell into. Ford management must have realized that accepting taxpayer money would lead to the government taking them over. It must be very frustrating for the government to know that Ford may be the only major auto manufacturer that they can't control. However, that may not last long if the government has anything to say about it.
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rhs648 says:
The automobile manufacturers are guilty of conspiracy with those forces who benefit from American dependence of foreign oil and got set up to fail, not by the UAW silly people.... Three letters say it all.....EV1
With the fall of the UAW, so goes the middle class of America. All that really remains will be the rich and the poor....
Today the top %2 still control 90% of the wealth, which is the way it was yesterday....so who will suffer? Not the top %2 for sure...they got richer thanks to Bush, but us the rest are stuck in foreign oil fighting ghosts.


Will we see americans go electric? I wanted a chevy Volt, but now I wonder if it will be built.
So I'm going to fix my bike and leave the driving to public transportation...as I will no longer be middle class....

Furthermore, I implore America to press your congressmen or women to prosecute the Bush Administration in America, then send them to Spain....where we can dunk em in water and call it interrogation.
Posted by netjunkie1

You sound like an American failure. Fortunately, there are many of us who are succeeding and don't feel any country has the right to trie our leaders, former or current.for trumped up charges. Perhaps you would fare better in a socialist or communist country. Be our guest.
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jamesguy says:
Eastern Airlines, Pacific Southwest Airlines, Pan American Airlines, and others failed. they were huge companies with a long history and thousands of employees. Their planes were bought up by other airlines, the best of the employees went to work for other airlines, and you can still get on a plane and fly from any major city to any major city for a good price. Why aren't the car companies allowed to fail? The cars we drive will still be built mostly in the US. They will just be built by competitive companies like Honda, Toyota and Nissan.
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rowdy6680 says:
And that story is just someone's point of view...
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The first person killed in the Boston Massacre was Crispus Attucks. He was a negro and a martyr. Not a monkey or a chimp. He showed more guts in standing up to British troops than you likely ever will.
Posted by damonwil at 9:09 PM : Mar 30, 2009

"Although Attucks was credited as the leader and instigator of the event, debate raged for over as century as to whether he was a hero and a patriot, or a rabble-rousing villain.

In the murder trial of the soldiers who fired the fatal shots, John Adams, serving as a lawyer for the crown, reviled the "mad behavior" of Attucks, "whose very looks was enough to terrify any person."

Twenty years earlier, an advertisement placed by William Brown in the Boston Gazette and Weekly Journal provided a more detailed description of Attucks, a runaway: "A Mulatto fellow, about 27 Years of Age, named Crispus, 6 feet 2 inches high, short cur'l hair, his knees nearer together than common."

DOESNT SOUND LIKE A "HERO" TO ME....
Posted by TexasEd at 9:18 PM : Mar 30, 2009
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rowdy6680 says:
So do you union guys get the same benefits when you are laid off or what? Nothing wrong with a union that stands up for their members...but it's about time more sacrifices were made. Would your members rather have a job or follow your infinite wisdom and be "working" for a company that no longer exists?

P.S. If they don't like the job they are working now on a line, there's always time to be retrained....
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damonwil says:
Texas Ed,

With regard to Crispus Attucks you replied with;

"In the murder trial of the soldiers who fired the fatal shots, John Adams, serving as a lawyer for the crown, reviled the "mad behavior" of Attucks, "whose very looks was enough to terrify any person."

Twenty years earlier, an advertisement placed by William Brown in the Boston Gazette and Weekly Journal provided a more detailed description of Attucks, a runaway: "A Mulatto fellow, about 27 Years of Age, named Crispus, 6 feet 2 inches high, short cur'l hair, his knees nearer together than common."

DOESNT SOUND LIKE A "HERO" TO ME.... "

However,

Samuel Adams, a cousin of John Adams who held civil disobedience in higher regard, named the event the Boston Massacre two years later and helped assure that it would not be forgotten. Boston artist Henry Pelham (half-brother of the celebrated portrait painter John Singleton Copley) created an image of the event. Paul Revere made a copy of the image from which prints were made and distributed. Some copies of the print show a dark-skinned man with chest wounds presumably representing Crispus Attucks. Other copies of the print show no difference in the skin tone of the victims.

The five who were killed were buried as heroes in the Granary Burying Ground, which contains the graves of John Hancock and other notable figures.

Paul Revere, Samuel Adams, and many others would have disagreed with you. Their opinions carried a lot more weight than yours.
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rowdy6680 says:
AMEN!

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The auto makers knew this day was coming and chose to keep the uaw payroll at hand
so don't start the talk the president is the bad guy . gm knew it was coming and here we are blameing anybody but the two who started it GM and UAW
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frankly6 says:
Hey GENIUS, ALL of the automakers are hurting. Toyota posted their worst year EVER. I DONT think the U.S. government should be giving ANY money to ANY private businesses. But I DO think after listening to Obamas big mouth today that he said he is going to let the autoworkers get hurt by his decision and that they will suffer.

WOW, what a real stand up kinda guy Obama is, "standing by the union that supported him" so much during the elections. Who can trust him or his henchmen now?
Posted by TexasEd at 9:27 PM : Mar 30, 2009



Sorry Skippy but Toyota and Honda aren't going around looking for bailout money from anyone. American car manufacturers are hurting because they put most of their eggs in the gas guzzling dinosaur basket amoung other poor decisions.

You are talking out of both sides of your mouth. First you complain that the government shouldn't give ANY money to ANY private business. Then you complain that Obama doesn't want to throw any more money at these companies.

Goes to show, you and your fellow Rushbots just like complaining about things you know nothing about.
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