Comments on: Wage Demands Sink Auto Bailout In Senate
Despite Coming Within "About 3 Words" Of A Deal, Republicans Block $14B Package Over UAW Refusal To Accept Pay Cuts
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- I guess a longshoremen are NOT THE SAME AS a UAW member
Posted by MrMeatSpin at 08:05 PM : Dec 12, 2008
Different union but there are no slackers and the supervisors almost never have to discipline a worker, (the stewards do it) - Reply to this comment
- I think those dumb head republicans will think the people will blame the democrats, but they are still playing there game NO, NO, NO, they have no idea what will happen through out this country who supply the auto industry. If they hold them up it will be a catastrophe. When has Bush ever done the right thing, and they already spent 350billion and have to go to congress to get more. They want bankruptcy, and more begging, and lap dogging, they will have another election in 2 years and these republican senators have to go they have messed with us just about enough. If we do not starve before then
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- see you have never been a Longshoreman. If you had you never would have said that.
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Posted by ToolMangler at 08:01 PM : Dec 12, 2008
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I guess a longshoremen are NOT THE SAME AS a UAW member - Reply to this comment
- If you think the unions reward hard work and motivate workers for success, you are sadly mistaken. The unions protect workers who don''''t do their jobs because there is no consequence for slacking off.
Posted by Joule18 at 07:53 PM : Dec 12, 2008
I see you have never been a Longshoreman. If you had you never would have said that. - Reply to this comment
- Did you know Washington approved that business'' do not have to match pensions any more what else do they want from us a rebellion maybe
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- If you think the unions reward hard work and motivate workers for success, you are sadly mistaken. The unions protect workers who don''t do their jobs because there is no consequence for slacking off.
The unions get more money from workers so they can lobby for regulations that keep their fat cats in business. I wonder how much more money would be in the worker''s pockets if they didn''t pay dues?
How many workers drink their lunch and then go back to the workplace because they are "protected", yet they put other workers at risk?
The other car companies pay their workers well and my brother and his wife have worked for Toyota at their first facility in the U.S. for over 25 years. They have no complaints about pay or benefits and have never looked to go elsewhere. - Reply to this comment
- Are all Republican anti-American terrorists or is it just those in the south?
Posted by noloyalisti at 07:28 PM : Dec 12, 2008
Send them to Quantomono and Jan 20 release them to the public - Reply to this comment
- All of this posturing by the few southern Senators is aimed solely toward Union Busting. The UAW has its faults but stupidity is not one of them. I am neither pro nor anti-union but I can see a setup from a mile away. The moment the Unions are gone is when the Globalization will go into high gear. All countrys will have the same pay scale for the same hours worked. This will bring Mugabes dictatorship inline with every other head of state. Africa will mak3 giant leaps forward. Europe and the Americas will make giant leaps backward. The NWO has this as their main goal. There will be no more "Rewarding hard work and recognizing achievement with success"
Posted by ToolMangler at 07:30 PM : Dec 12, 2008
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Two things what you said is absolutely true, also they want to reduce wages, get the working folks on there knees to beg, and go and bail out the banks with no questions asked. I am for the Senate who authorized the bailout of banks to cut there pay for being so stupid, the republicans are not through trying to destroy this country are they? - Reply to this comment
- My idea was considered too radical, but its funny listening to my voicemail at all the offers to buy my patent so I do not become a competitor.
Well truth be told, I can hardly wait to crush them in the market place to show them who really was the boss.
Posted by the74blaster at 07:13 PM : Dec 12, 2008
I know you don''t want to give away any details, but can you give an example as to what the basics of your ''radical'' idea was? - Reply to this comment
- All of this posturing by the few southern Senators is aimed solely toward Union Busting. The UAW has its faults but stupidity is not one of them. I am neither pro nor anti-union but I can see a setup from a mile away. The moment the Unions are gone is when the Globalization will go into high gear. All countrys will have the same pay scale for the same hours worked. This will bring Mugabes dictatorship inline with every other head of state. Africa will mak3 giant leaps forward. Europe and the Americas will make giant leaps backward. The NWO has this as their main goal. There will be no more "Rewarding hard work and recognizing achievement with success"
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- Are all Republican anti-American terrorists or is it just those in the south?
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- No it is not a long term solution. However, let me turn this around. Do you believe rewarding failure by the CEOS with a big bonus a solution?
It is not and they should be canned for lack of perfomance. Have you ever imagined how many people from India that have masters degrees we could hire for their salaries. You probably pay 1,500 of these people with masters degrees for the price of one fat CEO and have a better managed company.
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Posted by the74blaster at 07:09 PM : Dec 12, 2008
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indeed but lets fallow the progress here..a ceo gets a bonus and leaks..its a PR nightmare..things CHANGE..a UAW wants to keep his salary and be bailed out you cannot do anything about it..BECAUSE HE WOULD NTO COMPROMISE. its a brazen attitude - Reply to this comment
- It certainly is a contributing factor. However, when corporate overhead of a few thousand is greater than the labor costs in manufacturing and R & D, the problem is larger than than a union.
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Posted by the74blaster at 07:00 PM : Dec 12, 2008
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There are severl other factors thst would make keeping jobs here very attractive..
remember the poison scare from china.. - Reply to this comment
- Posted by the74blaster at 06:58 PM : Dec 12, 2008
Absolutely. That''''s the way it works in the real world that the rest of us live in and is only fair.
Problem is, the wealthy look out for each other and scratch each others'''' backs while they divide the rest of us by setting us up to claw at the other guy''''s throat.
Posted by ofbyfor3 at 07:05 PM : Dec 12, 2008,
Yeah. However, I watched them make some stupid emotionally based decisions regarding new product development. My idea was considered too radical, but its funny listening to my voicemail at all the offers to buy my patent so I do not become a competitor.
Well truth be told, I can hardly wait to crush them in the market place to show them who really was the boss. - Reply to this comment
- and giving the UAW a few dollars to keep them afloat a few months IS LONGTERM??
Posted by MrMeatSpin at 07:03 PM : Dec 12, 2008,
No it is not a long term solution. However, let me turn this around. Do you believe rewarding failure by the CEOS with a big bonus a solution?
It is not and they should be canned for lack of perfomance. Have you ever imagined how many people from India that have masters degrees we could hire for their salaries. You probably pay 1,500 of these people with masters degrees for the price of one fat CEO and have a better managed company. - Reply to this comment
- Posted by MrNrgmizer at 07:00 PM : Dec 12, 2008
I see that we understand each other on that score. - Reply to this comment
- Are you not upset that the CEOs are getting these huge bonuses for leading their companies into near bankruptcy? I always believed a performance bonus was for exceeding expectations and doing a great job. Would you pay a performance bonus to an employee who nearly bankrupts a company under his management?
I certainly would not. I would hold them accountable and terminate their employment.
Posted by the74blaster at 06:58 PM : Dec 12, 2008
Absolutely. That''s the way it works in the real world that the rest of us live in and is only fair.
Problem is, the wealthy look out for each other and scratch each others'' backs while they divide the rest of us by setting us up to claw at the other guy''s throat. - Reply to this comment
- Thats a shortsighted solution. We need to invest in alternative energy so we can break OPEC just like an ineffective union. As far as the bankers go, they committed fraud with the derivatives they sold as insured investments and they should be imprisoned. After all we did it to Martha Stewart who is a small time entity compared to these guys.
Lets send them to Cube and see what information a little waterboarding could provide. Lock them up, take their assets and stimulate the economy that way.
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Posted by the74blaster at 06:52 PM : Dec 12, 2008
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and giving the UAW a few dollars to keep them afloat a few months IS LONGTERM?? - Reply to this comment
- Isn''''t there some way to combine Chapter 11 AND provide a structured loan so that we could avoid losing jobs (it WON''''T just be UAW workers, folks) AND have some guarantee that the management and workers will BOTH get their acts together?
If this industry fails, we''''ll ALL be worse off. Both the corporate entities AND the unions need to make some changes. Seems as if there should be a way.
Just a thought.
Posted by ofbyfor3 at 06:55 PM : Dec 12, 2008,
I really do not have a background in chapter 11. However, you are correct in that all the parties have to make a concession or the company is done for, without significant changes. - Reply to this comment
- and dont tell me the idea of paying a yokul $28 dollars an hour to put decals on cars has NOTHIGN TO DO with building that kind of culture
Posted by MrMeatSpin at 06:55 PM : Dec 12, 2008,
It certainly is a contributing factor. However, when corporate overhead of a few thousand is greater than the labor costs in manufacturing and R & D, the problem is larger than than a union. - Reply to this comment
