Comments on: Union Pitches In, But Bailout Hopes Dim

Senate Majority Leader Reid Says Carmaker Bailout Doesn't Have Votes To Pass

[lewiston14]

If the auto makers wantt to get out from under the thumb of unions then they all have to go bankrupt. In a bankrupt company a unions power drops to zero. Then it all falls on one or more judges to decide everything for everybody. I can see the kick backs now.

[longtree-2009]

give them not a penny, not a penny. the auto industry has been incompetent for years and so has the uaw. they don''t deserve even a penny. let them file for bankruptcy and put themselves up for sale. the japanese and koreans have been more successful than the so called big three. the big three, the uaw, are just incompetent money grubber low lifes. .

[lewiston14]

People on the line do not make $70 an hour. They make a base wage then everything else gets tacked on from health care to electric heat lights a pen right down to the penny a flush in the mens rooms. That $70 is what it cost the company in real terms for your base pay. Even if you make $20 it still cost a company more then that to keep you paied. There are so many costs that are hidden or you never think of them because they are small but add up. Oh your CEO and the cost of that nice office building also come out of that $70. To make a long story short it cost the company $70 to pay you for a hour to put tires on cars workers do not see anywhere near $70 so stop saying that.

[skeezix06]

Where is all this divestment of benefits heading?

Answer: Socialization of healthcare and work till you are unable to perform and hope your kids will take care of you or until you drop dead.

In the meantime, college is becoming increasingly out of reach for the middle class which is going to result in a less educated, less prepared, poorer population which will result in decreased sales and increased layoffs and demands for lower wages and less or no benefits which will start the whole cycle all over again. Instead of lifting other countries wages we''re destroying our own.

It looks like they''ve managed to kill the American dream and the whole "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" fable.

[dimmu19]

Spaspy, Your a nut job. Without unions you have millions of wal-marts, home depots and lowes because they can pay their employees non-living wages and get away with it while killing all the mom and pop shops out there. Can you afford to live off of $7.50 / hour, work less then 40 hours a week with no benefits?

[mildlyinsane]

Yawn.... Goodnight!

[spaspy]

Soon other industries will flock to Washington for their bailout! I can just see those hands held out! "Where''s ours? We need help in our industry too!" WAH-WAH-WAH! They got themselves into this mess, let them get themselves out of it like the Airlines have had to do! That''s the risk you take when you go into business. HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE!!!

[spaspy]

Thinking people warned democrat that this sort of thing would happen if Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Emanuel were allowed to control congress. Unfortunately, the dems were so busy playing "us vs them" that they failed to heed the warning. Now it''''s happened just as predicted.

Economies simply don''''t do well under socialism. Ironically, it is the very unions that are so cozily in bed with the democrats who are the root cause of the mess. Dems think of elections in the same mindless fashion in which they think about American Idol.

The immutable law of labor is that workers cannot be paid more than the value their labor produces in the open market for an extended period of time without undermining the economics of the company they work for. This goes for union types and executive both. The total costs of unreasonable union wages is, however, far greater than that in the executive ranks.

Sorry Dems, we warned you. BTW, can anyone name a large union of industrial workers who''''s membership doesn''''t vote overwhelmingly democrat? That alone should tell you something.

Posted by faletinme at 12:21 AM : Dec 04, 2008
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Bravo!!! Very well said!

[mildlyinsane]

Seems like 80 years. Our forefathers would be appalled at the right-radical shift of these recent years. Nt only have the Republican elite been allowed to run roughshod over our economy, they now are begging for government handouts to finish off their dirty work.

[centerfall94]

Wow. After eight years of near total republican rule, nearly everything is destroyed. Bush, the criminal and traitor should be tried for his war of choice and his destruction of our country''s economy, reputation, standing and readiness. He is personally responsible for the creation of more terrorists than ever before through his inept leadership and warmongering.

Good luck, President-elect Obama! You have a lot of work ahead of you, but I have no doubt you will show us what leadership is really all about. Our country has almost forgotten. Thanks for being there for us.

[mildlyinsane]

Did everyone go nighty-night?

[mildlyinsane]

Millions of them.

[mildlyinsane]

Can somebody get me a real job so I can help pay for those bailout recipients? Forget Detroit. What about those poor downtrodden, retiring execs on Wall Street? Please don''t make fun of them. They have their needs.

[mildlyinsane]

Thanks:{

[mildlyinsane]

I am not going to fly to Washington, nor drive. I will WALK to request a personal bailout. (That''s three thousand miles). My situation is absolutely dire, and it has been for quite a long time. If rich people can do it(and those who make $18.00 more per hour than I do, I must certainly qualify for a bailout. I have exactly $32.00 in the bank and I''m in heavy arrears. Anybody out there wanna make the trek with me?

[elitiesruleu]

A tale of two bailouts
http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_28855.shtml

By Bill Van Auken
Nov 25, 2008

if the government-with the support of Obama and the Democrats-is socializing Citigroup''s losses while leaving their profits private, while at the same time leaving the Big Three to dangle in the wind, it is on behalf of definite class interests.

In the impending bankruptcy of the auto companies, the ruling elite sees an opportunity to carry out a massive attack on living standards, working conditions and social benefits, thereby forcing the working class to pay for the crisis.

The aim is to make an example of the auto workers, whose compensation historically has been a benchmark for the working class as a whole. This can be achieved either through outright bankruptcy and the potential liquidation of millions of jobs, or through a so-called rescue, extended in exchange for the decimation of wages, the ripping up of health and pension benefits for those on the job and the elimination of pensions and health insurance for hundreds of thousands of retirees.

Such an assault would be used as a precedent for similar attacks against every section of working people throughout the country.

[elitiesruleu]

Try spell checker

Posted by talk2chief at 01:14 AM : Dec 04, 2008

do, but I have a report to fill out.



Posted by talk2chief at 01:06 AM : Dec 04, 2008

[elitiesruleu]

http://www.uaw.org/


12.03.2008

At a joint meeting of the UAW''s Chrysler, Ford and General Motors Councils delegates agree to more sacrifices to help the industry.

12.03.2008

Video from today''s news conference about possible changes UAW members will make in their contracts with the Big 3 automakers.

12.02.2008

Questions and answers about our members, our industry and what could happen if the automakers fail.

12.01.2008

MSNBC''s Keith Olbermann is right on the money when it comes to autoworker pay.

11.26.2008

Auto Matters: What is the best model Detroit has ever produced? Think economics, not vehicles, one economist says.

11.25.2008

Jonathan Cohn, a senior editor at The New Republic, debunks the $70-per-hour autoworker pay myth.

[mildlyinsane]

Chief, I thought you had a report to fill out?

[elitiesruleu]

Posted by talk2chief at 01:14 AM : Dec 04, 2008

Finnish your report you puke