Comments on: GM: Bankruptcy Not A Viable Option

Board Of Directors Feels Chapter 11 Would Not Address Fundamental Issues Facing Automaker, Says Spokesman

"Republicans are the only sane party in this country" is a laughable phrase. I guess spending trillions on a boondoggle in Iraq is considered sane. Amazing thinking!!! So intelligent of the Republicans!!!

[pcreversed]

If bankruptcy is not a viable option, I guess the only option is for them to go out of business. At least that way, we wont have to hear about the poor auto makers anymore.

[McHineguy]

So someone thinks Republicans should help the workers in Michigan who handed the election to Obama. Why? The Democrats do not plan on helping the Republicans in any way. Not all Republicans are wealthy, but most have conservative values, many are Christian, most are employed and hard working. Perhaps they see insanity when an assembly line worker in Detroit makes more than a doctor in Louisiana. Republicans are the only sane party in this country.


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Posted by Freefla at 04:01 PM : Nov 23, 2008

Obama will probably help them. He and Nancy and Harry will do whatever it takes to court their votes. Just HOPE the rest of the country sees it and makes plans for the next CHANGE.

Meanwhile, our industries are dieing becuse we wont work to fix them. Just prop them up and bail them out.

[freefla]

So someone thinks Republicans should help the workers in Michigan who handed the election to Obama. Why? The Democrats do not plan on helping the Republicans in any way. Not all Republicans are wealthy, but most have conservative values, many are Christian, most are employed and hard working. Perhaps they see insanity when an assembly line worker in Detroit makes more than a doctor in Louisiana. Republicans are the only sane party in this country.

[McHineguy]

machineguy, Maybe if we the taxpayers bailout these businesses we should vote on who should be running them and therefore be able to vote them out or just fire them as with any other non-productive employee,presidents, senators, and reps.


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Posted by podo536 at 03:21 PM : Nov 23, 2008

Great idea excpet they would probably end up running election campaigns like this last year and I don tthink I could stand that, lol.

Actually, I think they could be competitive again if they try. But right now they need to point fingers until a few of them die off. Then they will get serious about finding a solution.

[podo536]

Maybe they should bring their $10.00/hr. to La. where that is good wages also in S.C., Ala. and many other places when so many people make close to min. wage and have to maintain their obligations. Maybe we need CEO''s who have had to run a hand-to-mouth operation for years and kept it in the black. Those who are not living so high-on-the-hog and are sitting behind a desk and working the prod. lines to keep things profitable who use common sense and dicipline to keep ourself and others employed.

[McHineguy]

lastdance134,

Please go away. You are embarrassing the rest of us honest workers. we all pay income taxes. Many of us wish we were in the 41% bracket you suggest but we dont make that much money.

I provide complete references for my numbers and my facts. You can either read them or ignore them but your accusations are tiresome and annoying. Wrose, you arent helpin gour country restore its leadership.

Please go away.

[podo536]

machineguy, Maybe if we the taxpayers bailout these businesses we should vote on who should be running them and therefore be able to vote them out or just fire them as with any other non-productive employee,presidents, senators, and reps.

[McHineguy]

The UAW is not the problem. It is an easy scapegoat. But for 30 years GM workers have been agreeing to wage and benefit cuts to help the Big 3 and the management of those companies continues to make the SAME mistakes. Big gas guzzling cars, thinking only in terms of short term profits. The work force is considerably downsized and the parts supply workers have taken huge cuts, some now making only $10 an hour.


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Posted by asamiller at 03:03 PM : Nov 23, 2008

I agree but it is part of the problem. I say this because we are in a battle to save our industries and it seems to me we are divided amoungst ourselves with names like Management and Union while the competition is not so divided. I blame both sides. Our government seems to make it worse. From outside we must look like a bunch of spoiled children arguing that someone else needs to make dinner for us.

[McHineguy]

In the seventy''''s, eighty''''s, etc. as the textile industry was faultering no one seemed to care. All went overseas and south, it affected less people but was just as sever to those of us who were affected. We were told that is the way it is and not to whine. Now it is affecting some of the highest earners with huge benefit packages and they just need to suck it up.Why should every taxpayer support a bail-out when the workers are not willing to scariface? Let them faulter just as any business and someone ''''will'''' come along and build an industry that is self- sustaining.Maybe the federal Gov. should rethink the package they or I should state (we the gov. of the people)give Fed. employees.


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Posted by podo536 at 03:04 PM : Nov 23, 2008

Same thing happened to electronics and steel. We need to look for ways to stop this decline, not prop it up or point fingers at management or unions. In fact, management and unions may be the best tool we have for fighting back. But first we have to get past the part where they sit around and blame each other.

[podo536]

In the seventy''s, eighty''s, etc. as the textile industry was faultering no one seemed to care. All went overseas and south, it affected less people but was just as sever to those of us who were affected. We were told that is the way it is and not to whine. Now it is affecting some of the highest earners with huge benefit packages and they just need to suck it up.Why should every taxpayer support a bail-out when the workers are not willing to scariface? Let them faulter just as any business and someone ''will'' come along and build an industry that is self- sustaining.Maybe the federal Gov. should rethink the package they or I should state (we the gov. of the people)give Fed. employees.

[asamiller]

The UAW is not the problem. It is an easy scapegoat. But for 30 years GM workers have been agreeing to wage and benefit cuts to help the Big 3 and the management of those companies continues to make the SAME mistakes. Big gas guzzling cars, thinking only in terms of short term profits. The work force is considerably downsized and the parts supply workers have taken huge cuts, some now making only $10 an hour.

[McHineguy]

As I said in the beginning, I am willing to discuss facts, not rhetoric.

Good to see you here lapdance. Hope tips are good for you today. But your n a k e d dancing fenzy insults and embarrasses honest workers, union or otherwise.

Goodbye.

[McHineguy]

lastdance134 says: "The Federal Government is The Largest Employeer in :
The United States"

I say: "That is a sad fact too. Government is a burden and a tax on its own country and needs to run small and run lean. High wages and large staffs are counterproductive and must be supported by even more productivity by industrial workers."

lastdance134 says: "It has always been the Goal of the UAW to
Equal the Pay and The Benefits of :
THE FEDERAL EMPLOYEE"

I say: "That is not a very successful goal if you plan to be competitive in the world. Government workers have no competition and are not required to fine tune their operation. The UAW must outproduct the foreigners or die. Right now its dieing. I think you should find a more successful and more admirable goal."

lastdance134 saays: "The Federal Employee Makes :
Far Too Much Money and Exceeds The Benefits
They are Worth ! !"

I say: "You are absolutely right. even worse, they dont have to ask for a bailout, they just increase taxes on the rest of us."

lastdance134 says: "It has always been the Goal of the UAW to :
Set The Example : To the Nation
The Real Worth of The Common Worker"

I say: "You are failing to do that. and you are failing yourselves at the same time. No industry can survive unless it produces products it can sell to willing customers. Right now, your products cost too much for the rest of us to afford, even if we got the smae wages you get."

the rest is rhetoric about slavery.

[skeetchamp]

Republicans always claim during campaigns to be all about helping "Joe the plumber". Once the election''s over they go right back to serving only the wealthiest one percent. Republicans eagerly bailed out the Citigroup people who took our money then laid off 75,000 ''Joe the bank tellers" and "Joann the secretaries". Now the "Joe the auto factory worker" needs a bailout, Republicans are the "party of NO". They openly scoff at the idea of helping union laborers who they claim are overpaid. The current Republican administration gave Goldman Sachs $10 billion, then Goldman handed out $6.5 billion in bonuses. But Republicans focused attention on what kind of jet the beggars from Detroit flew to Washington in. Millions of real people who work hard and unlike "Joe the plumber" pay our taxes, are really hurting. What we don''t need is for Republicans to block the bailout of these workers merely for the sake of opposing Democrats and further to deny help to workers that largely tend to vote Democratic. What Americans don''t need is for Republicans to cause millions of autoworkers to be fired, so the taxpayers support them with unemployment, welfare and more. At least if they have jobs, their taxes will help us pay for their lousy bailout.

[McHineguy]

how many UAW workers does it take to change a light bulb?

one to get the light bulb
one to turn off the power
one to change the light bulb
one to dipose of the light bulb

and all payed at double time on weekends and tripple on holidays.


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Posted by leglizhemp at 02:26 PM : Nov 23, 2008

You forgot the ones sitting in the Job Bank because their light bulbs hadnt burned out yet. And the ones filing the grievance against management for putting the bulbs up too high to reach easily.

[McHineguy]

lastdance134 says: "The Entire American Auto Industry Need to be : Rebuilt"

I say: I agree, and I believe that the workers and management will be the best people to do that when they find a way to work together. anyone else will be an outsider who doesnt understand or a foreigner who wont have my allegience.

lastdance says: "The Big Three needs to have all Their Assets Seized"

I say: "No way should any company have its assets seized. Such action is exactly that of a police state and sets a terrible precedent for the rest of us. Worse, companies that might build factories here will not if they see we are capable of seizing their assets like they do in the third world."

lastdance134 says: "A New American Auto Industry Needs to be : Rebuilt"

I say: "You are right. When and how do you plan to start? How much more can we help? There isnt much time."

lastdance134 says: " ...Manufacturing Plants in :
Mexico - China - Germany - France - Egypt and Saudi Arabia
Built by : Chrysler - Ford and GM
Paid for by : Chrysler - Ford and GM - Investors and
US Taxpayers (previous bail-outs)"

I say: "these seem to be attempts to attack the foreign guys who build plants here. *** for tat. Not sure its working though."


the rest of your post is rhetoric and unsupported by the facts. Save it for the 2012 campaigns.

[McHineguy]

RE : machineguy
If You are going to Post Fabricated Statements -
Post Something that is - ALMOST believable

The Autoworker Union Members
Have NEVER Received the Pay Scale or
Retirement Benefits Equal to : THE FEDERAL EMPLOYEE

...

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Posted by lastdance134 at 02:13 PM : Nov 23, 2008

Please identify what part of my previous posts were not believable and I will provide references to them.

Im not here to discuss the pay of government workers. but since you brin git up, I dont think our country can afford to build bigger government any more than I think it can afford to build bigger cars.

Finally, stop with the rhetoric about anyone trying to destroy the UAW. It seems to me you are doing just fine all by yourselves. At the current time, the majority of Americans believe you are spoiled "entitlement brats". I think that is an unfair characterization but its clear that posts like yours add to that belief.

So, how about it, real discussion, or name calling rhetoric?

[McHineguy]

lastdance134,

One LAST try from me.

I quote numbers from the UAW, not from any management anywhere. Sometimes I include information from the US government or a national news agency. Very seldom from any management texts. I do read both sides of the story, even yours. But I read with an open mind, searching for reasonable, believeable explanations. Not trying to explain what I see as a global conspiracy. I see labor and management in other countries as well as in ours so I know ours is broken by the kind of negative suspicions you profess.

You and your unions stubborn unwillingness to help find answers will end up killing the companies you work for. You have become as bad as the BIG BUSINESS you seem to hate. I sincerely hope you find a better way before your industry dies as mine did.

machineguy

[McHineguy]

Yes its time to move towards protectionist policy again. I admit though that there is a time and a place for everything...including bringing this down when its time...but today, we have no choice...stop the money flow out of the country and invest again in America.
We also need a moratorium on foreign aid for 5 years or longer to get our breath...and maybe pay for some of that national debt, social security and infrastructure here...


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Posted by MrNrgmizer at 01:52 PM : Nov 23, 2008


The problem is, teh money is no longer FROM America. A large part of it is oil money and money from those electronics we buy (like the computer you are using). That money comes here to build plants because it can earn a profit. If you stop that, you stop the money that comes here.

Our only hope is to become innovative again and find ways to compete and win, not whine and die.