Comments on: Some Shops Reject Same-Sex Wedding Cards

Owners Of Several Idaho Hallmark Stores Won't Sell New Line Catering To Same-Sex Partners

[susanhelit]

Ahhh - a classic exchange below:

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Posted by Andor3
"You know they did the research and math. And concluded what is generally known: the anti-gay folks are a small minority and tend to be at the bottom of the socio-economic scale--they are not buying a lot of cards or anything else. But gay people tend to be well-off and have economic power and spending money."

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Andor3 you are a complete idiot. You know nothing about me and I assure you I am educated and am doing well financially. Also, you are wrong about homosexuals being in the majority. They may have sympathizers and they are good at building PAC''''s and other groups for their cause. But only a fraction of our society are sick perverts who want to make it with someone of the same ***.
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So - a person replying to two facts - anti-gay types tend to be lower on the socio-economic scale responds with one nonsequitur - education was nowhere mentioned, and one irrelevant fact - that they have money - a detail that does not change a thing about the statistics. Then they proceed to reply again to an argument invented in their own head, since it''s nowhere posted by anyone that homosexuals are the majority, just to finish off this Logic 101 example of how not to debate.

[voidmaster-2009]

So sad for you. Deny God all you want, but that doesn''''t change the fact that "Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord." You will too, but it will likely be too late. Your fate in Hell will be sealed. Torture, day and night, never ceasing, for all of eternity, will be your fate. He doesn''''t send you there; you send yourself there by rejecting Jesus.

Nothing you say or believe will change that.

Posted by renojmc
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Let me get this straight%u2026 You god put me here, completely without my consent. Then he tells me I have to play whatever hand I%u2019m dealt, regardless how good or bad it may be. And I can%u2019t cash out early or I automatically lose by default.

And oh by the way, unless I love him by the time he calls %u201Cgame,%u201D I get to suffer for all eternity.

Is that your god? Nice. And fortunately, nothing that you believe will ever make that so.

On the other hand, perhaps there really is no such thing as free will. In that case, everything has already been decided regardless what choices I make. Care to join me for Marti Gras?

[renojmc]

So SGinNC, do you somehow imagine that you have some inherently great right to be protected from being offended than I do? See, I get that it%u2019s what your god said. But I don%u2019t care. That is your god. Your god has told you to be offended by certain behavior. %u201CHe%u201D might even tell me the same thing if I listened. But I choose not to.

Rather, I will decide for myself what is offensive to me rather than allowing someone else to tell me what *ought to be* offensive. It%u2019s called thinking for yourself as opposed to trying to live by a formula. Besides, just because you say, %u201CThis is what god wants/things/feels%u2026%u201D does not make it so.

Posted by VoidMaster at 04:03 PM : Aug 26, 2008
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So sad for you. Deny God all you want, but that doesn''t change the fact that "Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord." You will too, but it will likely be too late. Your fate in Hell will be sealed. Torture, day and night, never ceasing, for all of eternity, will be your fate. He doesn''t send you there; you send yourself there by rejecting Jesus.

Nothing you say or believe will change that.

[voidmaster-2009]

So SGinNC, do you somehow imagine that you have some inherently great right to be protected from being offended than I do? See, I get that it%u2019s what your god said. But I don%u2019t care. That is your god. Your god has told you to be offended by certain behavior. %u201CHe%u201D might even tell me the same thing if I listened. But I choose not to.

Rather, I will decide for myself what is offensive to me rather than allowing someone else to tell me what *ought to be* offensive. It%u2019s called thinking for yourself as opposed to trying to live by a formula. Besides, just because you say, %u201CThis is what god wants/things/feels%u2026%u201D does not make it so.

[voidmaster-2009]

%u201CCanada has made it illegal to voice your disapproval of Homosexuality%u2026%u201D

If true, that%u2019s in Canada and it would still be wrong.

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%u201CWell because you have not seen it, then I guess it doesn''''t exist.%u201D

Typical, irrelevant non-argument.

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%u201CBut yes there are childrens books being made available, guest speakers coming in to tell children it is ok to be a homosexual and even homosexually sponsored days in school.%u201D

Telling children that it is %u201COk to be gay%u201D is not the same thing as recruiting. Teaching them to be accepting of other people -- even people who are (gasp) different from them is not only a good thing, it%u2019s decades overdue in America.

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%u201CI guess people that have opposite beliefs of what God says is acceptable would feel this way.%u201D

Your god, perhaps. Not mine. But then, that is the point, now isn%u2019t it? Care to actually try actually responding to what I said? It%u2019s about equal protection under the law.

[voidmaster-2009]

Now that we got that settled...

[rixmix98]

SGinNC:

Take a look at ANY of their get togethers? You''re looking at something that I (gay) am even embarrassed by. However, explain the heterosexual community and their antics at Mardi Gras; otherwise keep your thoughts to yourself.

[voidmaster-2009]

I agree with your argument that what a person does should be between only them and God. And what they do in private is no ones business, but that is no longer the case because it is no longer private. You see we have activists teaching our children in public schools and attempting to limit our freedom of speech, just look at Canada as an example of this. And lets not forget public displays that are becoming the norm of this so called acceptable group. Just take a look at any of their get togethers and you will see the truth of this sickness.

Posted by SGinNC
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First of all, I%u2019m not sure what you%u2019re referring to with regard to Canada. As for compromising free speech, consider how it is that you publicly chastise an entire group of people with impunity. Sounds like free speech to me.

Regarding recruiting in the schools: bullish. Haven%u2019t seen it. As far as TEACHING kids%u2026 what is being taught that you find so wrong? Is it tolerance for others?

Finally, as far as %u201Ckeeping it private,%u201D can you even begin to imagine how outraged I become when I see people standing around in public preaching Jesus? Such perverts have even come to my front door! You keep that BS private and then we can talk about limiting public displays of affection.

[puritan9]

And we call this a free country? Who cares what people do in the privacy of their own bedrooms? Lets not make a big deal about marriage either. Most married Americans cheat and divorce and cheat again anyway, so who wants to teach morality? This is the problem of Christian fundamentalism gone wild. No other countries in the world are fundamentalist like the Christian right wing here other than the Islamic fundamentalists. There is little difference between the two. One worships an invisible God and the other a corpse, and both are intolerant of religious freedoms. I am sick of both extreme fanatics.

[voidmaster-2009]

But only a fraction of our society are sick perverts who want to make it with someone of the same ***.

Posted by SginNC
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True, sick perverts comprise only a fraction of society. What does that have to do with homos.e.xuality? The vast majority of homos.e.xuals are not sick perverts.

[voidmaster-2009]

If the product(s) a store sells bothers you, shop elsewhere.

Gee! See how easy that was; no black eyes, no bloodshed -- but then, black eyes and bloodshed is what you really came for, now isn%u2019t it? Makes me wonder who should really be in the closet.

[voidmaster-2009]

You want to be left alone? Get back in the closet and take your K-Y with you.

Posted by checkthepast
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Get a clue, checkthepast, you have neither the right nor the authority to NOT leave someone else alone. I realize your mama taught you otherwise. She lied to you.

[siriusly2]

I''m straight and am proud to call many homosexuals my friends. Hallmark wouldn''t be offering the cards if there weren''t a market for them...good for them making a wise business decision and being open minded. I''ll be sure to buy from them more often - I can at least offset one boycott.

By the way, CheckThePast, keep to your day job. You''re not clever enough to be entertaining.

[andor3]

the really funny thing about this: Hallmark is a big successful business. You know they did the research and math. And concluded what is generally known: the anti-gay folks are a small minority and tend to be at the bottom of the socio-economic scale--they are not buying a lot of cards or anything else. But gay people tend to be well-off and have economic power and spending money.

I can see why this angers gay haters--being marginalized stings, truth hurts.

[andor3]

some people want to buy these cards. some stores sell them. so they will buy from the stores that do sell them, or online. the stores that do not miss out on business. their loss. who do the shop owners really think they are punishing besides themselves? people still get the cards, hallmark still gets the sale.

[displeased]

Well it looks like another company besides McDonalds will not be seeing my business.
Posted by SGinNC

Are you piissed because some of the Hallmark stores are carrying the cards or because some aren''t?

[jankebenz]

''''Then neither do I condemn you,'''' Jesus declared. ''''Go now and leave your life of sin.''''"

Posted by jjp735i at 12:36 PM : Aug 26, 2008

The key words being "leave your sin", homosexuality is a sin.

[rixmix98]

Well it looks like another company besides McDonalds will not be seeing my business.

Posted by SGinNC at 12:49 PM : Aug 26, 2008


And I''m sure they''re in a tizzy trying to figure out what they will do without your business.

[checkthepast]

I''m just glad homosexuality isn''t hereditary.....
:)

[jjp735i]

As always "you can feel that Christian love" in most of these post. Calling people "deviant" or calling for boycotts.

If you believe same s.e.x anything is a sin, why are you not doing as Christ said....

''If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone.

''Then neither do I condemn you,'' Jesus declared. ''Go now and leave your life of sin.''"

That''s right, the Religious can pick and choose whay they want from the Bible. It''s not really about them after all.