Comments on: Quixtar Goes On Warpath Against Bloggers

Marketing Company Seeks IDs, Damages From Anonymous Internet Critics

[perrycbs1]

liaisonsus:

"Hellooooooooooooooooooooooooo! What happened to free speach!"

There is no absolute right to Free Speech. Everyone cites the example that you cannot yell "Fire" in a crowded place (unless there is a fire).

Have you ever heard the legal term of "Slander"

In this case the key players are under a court order not to say and do certain things that would slander Quixtar. They do not have the legal right to ignore that order %u2013 not that they had any legal right to slander in the first place.

I am always amazed that people do not understand the balance of rights that is in the US Constitution. I do admit that sometimes the courts get it wrong; but, this case is not about free speech. It is about preventing slander.

[perrycbs1]

Before I became involved I researched organizations and then chose which one to become associated with. Based on that research and information shared by very high level people in the business since; here is what I know and suspect to answer various claims made:

TEAM was the fastest growing. I have no doubt because they reached about 10% of registered distributors in the US as a relatively new organization.

TEAM was the largest distributor of Quixtar for many years (40% claimed by another). That would be false and not even close. The largest distributor organization by far is based on the East Coast and has roots back to the beginning of Amway.

Quixtar would not let TEAM tell distributors what the tool profits were. False. I have known for years what my organizations tool profits are and where they start being paid out. This is an issue internal to each training organization.

TEAM turns out leaders faster and more effective than any other organization in the US? Sounds like hype to me. Do you even know who the other organizations are and what they are doing?

Quixtar Prices not competitive: 5 to 6 billion in sales in North America per year says otherwise. Nor do I think reducing prices would increase business much.

Name change back to Amway. Pros & Cons: I doubt it will affect my business much.

The facts: Quixtar has easily won two major legal battles with minimal presentation of evidence. I predict they will win this and future ones as well.

[liaisonsus]

Hellooooooooooooooooooooooooo! What happened to free speach!
We are not in Nazi Germany or are we?

[lajinito]

For anyone interested in reading the lawsuit (which has a complete list of the blogger sites) go to http://www.bestsharing.com/f/uMRDPO9347589 and click on the link that says "Lawsuit against bloggers1.tif."

[lajinito]

For anyone interested in reading the lawsuit (which has a complete list of the blogger sites) go to http://www.bestsharing.com/f/uMRDPO9347589 and click on the link that says "Lawsuit against bloggers1.tif."

[sjw1253]

This sounds to me as though it is a corporate issue and possibly "dirty politics" - one company taking advantage of blogs to sound as though they are customers angry with the one company.

As I can see from the different posts - there is clearly something going on as a competitive nature. I know there are many tactics that companies use that border on illegal to compete and try to knock the other company down.

I guess what will happen here is that Quixtar will be able to either prove their hypothesis - or find that they are wrong. Sounds to me that there is reason for them to suspect this - and to me - if it is a corporate strategy - misrepresenting themselves and using using consumer resources to shoot the other company down - they should be stopped.

Any false advertisement/statements need to be nipped in the bud so that the consumer has fewer issues to mistrust.

[sjw1253]

This sounds to me as though it is a corporate issue and possibly "dirty politics" - one company taking advantage of blogs to sound as though they are customers angry with the one company.

As I can see from the different posts - there is clearly something going on as a competitive nature. I know there are many tactics that companies use that border on illegal to compete and try to knock the other company down.

I guess what will happen here is that Quixtar will be able to either prove their hypothesis - or find that they are wrong. Sounds to me that there is reason for them to suspect this - and to me - if it is a corporate strategy - misrepresenting themselves and using using consumer resources to shoot the other company down - they should be stopped.

Any false advertisement/statements need to be nipped in the bud so that the consumer has fewer issues to mistrust.

[spartan4l1fe]

PerryCBS1 - Interesting. In my extensive research of TEAM material I have found that it was all approved by Quixtar, prior to Aug 9th. Not only did they approve of the material, they commended us for it. We have been the fastest growing organization to use Quixtar as a supplier. (yes I am using that term, ''cause that is what they are!) We have also had the highest retention rate, meaning the people that joined TEAM stayed with TEAM more than any other organization. TEAM was so respected and looked up to that different organizations joined TEAM, ie. Legacy. The biggest problem with tools that TEAM has had was they kept wanting to let the new IBO know up front what the tool profit was, however, Quixtar would not allow them to share that information.
As far as your stats go, that is what Quixtar would like you to believe. If TEAM really only represented 2% of their business, then why would there be all the legal battles over TEAM IBO''s? Quixtar would have just let us all go. However, when you have a TEAM that represents over 40% of your US business, that is cause for some fighting. Think about this... Half the legal and ethics commity of the IBOIA is gone now. That''s a little more than 10% don''t you think?

[spartan4l1fe]

Also, the way TEAM builds, has been recognized as actually working, and Orrin and Chris were praised for it. You see, how we build is that if you have two brothers and you put them in two seperate legs of your organization, then now they are in compitition aginst one another. If you place them both on one TEAM then they can work together. That''s where our name comes from, Together Everyone Achives More. This concept is not new, it has just never been done this well, and has never been combined with the fastest growing, more respected, most effective, Leadership Development program in the country. We turn out leaders faster, better, and more duplicatable than any other organization. That is why all of us at TEAM have taken it upon ourselves to carry the sword and sheild, and defend TEAM, because we have thousands of leaders. That was the big mistake that Quixtar made, they thought that we were all just mindless drones that followed Orrin and Chris, and the other leaders. They thought that if they cut off the head (terminated our leaders) that the leaderless organization would just leave things alone and not worry about the price of the products anymore. They were wrong.
Bottom line, TEAM wanted a supplier that offers competitive prices, to make this the best opportunity for everyone. That is why Orrin and Chris have continued to fight. All the want is for Quixtar to lower there profit margins. My understanding is they run at 17% markup and Wal-Mart runs at 3%.

[spartan4l1fe]

Don''t get me wrong, I understand where you are coming from. Quixtar has done a great job at trying to make Orrin and Chris the scapegoats on this one. I also understand that we may never agree, that''s fine too. That''s what makes this country great, to be able to not agree and still get along! That is what I fight to defend. I don''t fight to silence the information. All I would say is let all the facts out in the open, so that the IBO''s can make educated decisions. That is what upsets me the most, trying to silence people that are getting the facts out there. Here''s to FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!