Comments on: Thousands Of Christians Flee Mosul

Families Leave Iraq's 3rd Largest City To Escape What Local Official Calls "A Killing Campaign"

[glidescube]

there was no al quaeda in iraq till the US and the republican christians brought them there.

Posted by andrew_693 at 09:10 PM : Oct 11, 2008

True to an extant. They were trying to get in but Saddam kept them in check bu KILLING THEM!

[trillion1]

Over 5 years ago we were lied to that there were over a hundred thousand Iraqi troops and police trained and equipted ready to take over. For some insane reason bush and his lackies think that when they leave office everyone will forget and forgive.

[ubrew12]

suki33 said: "I pray that we never invade and destroy a country in the way we did Iraq. But, I think we do have a responsibility that will not easily fit into a timetable for withdrawal. I think it was Colin Powell who warned that we should remember the Pottery Barn rule before invading a country, "If you break it, you buy it." "

Iraq is on its own, it always was. With the worlds second largest proven oil reserves, how horrid a fate can that be? Nah, actually I agree with you, to a point. Vietnam taught us that when you support a government so completely, they are just a shell, with no real support among the local populace that doesn''t spring from a paycheck.

Unfortunately, a timetable may be EXACTLY what Iraq needs to develop the procedural changes needed to run the country on its own, with its PROVEN, SIGNIFICANT oil wealth as a support (and with CONTINUED MONETARY support from the U.S., I would say, for some time in the future).

I believe this is what the Iraqi''s themselves are saying...

[ioweign]

.Do you remember those ''''masked'''' Jihad warriors who marched in the Baghdad streets in solidarity with Saddam just before the war?...Saddam was in no position at that point in time to turn down any alliances...even Al Qaeda.

Posted by guadalcanal3 at 09:07 PM : Oct 11, 2008

Saddam did not believe that an invasion was coming right up to the end. So why seek an alliance. He had a secret police that took care of al Qaeda...

[suki33]

"As long as we think as you do, we''ll ALWAYS be going into Iraq''s of the future. By murdering the peaceful path we justify its irrelevance in future discussion. " from ubrew12
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I was opposed to us going into Iraq, at least until all the United Nations evaluations were completed and we had a better understanding that invading Iraq was our only recourse.

My comment about the decision being irrelevant at this point is aimed at the fact we did go in; we are responsible for totally destroying the infrastructure of the country; few if any areas have regular electricity service; very limited if any medical care; civilians have been killed; violence in the streets as a way of life.

My concern is that if we pull out too soon we will be responsible for even more destruction of that society. I pray that we never invade and destroy a country in the way we did Iraq. But, I think we do have a responsibility that will not easily fit into a timetable for withdrawal. I think it was Colin Powell who warned that we should remember the Pottery Barn rule before invading a country, "If you break it, you buy it."

[guadalcanal3]

Ya'' can lead a horse to water...but you can''t make it drink.

[ioweign]

.Do you remember those ''''masked'''' Jihad warriors who marched in the Baghdad streets in solidarity with Saddam just before the war?...Saddam was in no position at that point in time to turn down any alliances...even Al Qaeda.

Posted by guadalcanal3 at 09:07 PM : Oct 11, 2008

al Qaeda could not survive those masked secret police...

[andrew_693]

there was no al quaeda in iraq till the US and the republican christians brought them there.

[guadalcanal3]

IOWEIGN...Who said anything about ''linking''?...I''m not talking about whether there was a link...there most probably was not any link at all between Saddam and Bin Laden...Saddam was secular...What I am talking about here is the fact that Al Qaeda ''is'' in Iraq (BIGTIME)...why?...Because they want to establish and ''extremist'' Islamic Republic there and anywhere else they can get their mits on...Al Qaeda wants to sow confusion and anarchy in Iraq (as well as Afghanistan & Somalia)..so that they can take control of the country. (who do you think is trying to cause a civil war between the Sunnis and Shiites?)...Do you remember those ''masked'' Jihad warriors who marched in the Baghdad streets in solidarity with Saddam just before the war?...Saddam was in no position at that point in time to turn down any alliances...even Al Qaeda.

[ubrew12]

suki33 said: "Discussions about whether we should have gone into Iraq are irrelevant at the point because we did go in"

There''s a saying in murder trials: no one cares what the murder victim thinks, the murder victim is not even human anymore. So, it can be worse for you to merely rob someone because your victim is still there to accuse you and describe their hurt.

As long as we think as you do, we''ll ALWAYS be going into Iraq''s of the future. By murdering the peaceful path we justify its irrelevance in future discussion.

[suki33]

I would love to see all our troops come home from dangerous duties, but I think that if we pull out of Iraq before there are Iraqi forces trained, willing, and able to protect the civilian population, then we will hold some responsibility for violence perpetrated against civilian populations.

Discussions about whether we should have gone into Iraq are irrelevant at the point because we did go in, with the support of Congress. Disruptions to their society rest with us and I don''t think we can walk away and trust that families, including children, can be abandoned.

[mike18881]

You talk about how the Muslims disregaurd the Kuran. My thought is that most followers of the Koran can''t read and therfore have to believe what is told them. Of course it''s the radicals that teach them what they want them to believe.

[ubrew12]

StopSocialis said: "Try reading what their "holy" book tells them to do to us "infidels", and you may learn something."

Again, if words were all that mattered, the history of Christianity wouldn''t be steeped in blood. Something more is needed, and people like you who think the ''answer'' is in their favorite book are missing the ''something more''.

The Mosul pogrom is as unnecessary as all the Jewish pogroms Christians instituted throughout Christianities history. It didn''t deal with the problem, which was the existance of competing religious ideologies in a region, in fact, it made that problem worse by preventing faiths from finding common ground. It was evil, sure, but worse than that it was unnecessary and unhelpful.

Like invading Iraq when your enemy is in Pakistan. Something I have little doubt you supported and probably STILL support.

[faithwalker3]

"al Qaeda"...WHAT??? I thought there were NO Al Qaeda elements in Iraq!! Isn''t that what all the Democrats have been saying? I''m so confused!!

Maybe G.W isn''t the liar Pelosi, Franks, and Obama having been saying he is...just food for thought!

[ioweign]

I suppose you think that Al Qaeda does not exist in Saudi Arabia as well...

Posted by guadalcanal3 at 08:04 PM : Oct 11, 2008

Iraq-al Qaeda links weak, say former Bush officials
By Peter H. Stone August 8, 2003

As criticism over the Bush administration''s use of prewar intelligence on Iraq''s weapons of mass destruction continues, a new wave of accusations seems ready to break - this time, over complaints that in its efforts to sell the war, the White House also hyped claims about the links between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein''s regime.

Three former Bush administration officials who worked on intelligence and national security issues have told National Journal that the prewar evidence tying al Qaeda to Iraq was tenuous, exaggerated, and often at odds with the conclusions of key intelligence agencies.

"Our conclusion was that Saddam would certainly not provide weapons of mass destruction or WMD knowledge to al Qaeda because they were mortal enemies," said Greg Thielmann, who worked at the State Department''s Bureau of Intelligence and Research on weapons intelligence until last fall. "Saddam would have seen al Qaeda as a threat, and al Qaeda would have opposed Saddam as the kind of secular government they hated."

Other Bush veterans concur that the evidence linking Al Qaeda to Iraq was overblown.

[stopsocialis]

And once again, since you couldn''t go look it up yourself. There is NOTHING in the Quran that tells Muslims to love their enemies and pray for those who persecute them.

And the main reason for this is because THEY ARE THE ONES persecuting others for their beliefs! They are the ones causing all the violence and terrorism around the globe.

The rise of fundamentalist Islam on our planet can be directly attributed to TERRORISM, whether you accept this black and white truth or not.

[stopsocialis]

And it''s NOT necessary. Unless you''re a Muslim. Try reading what their "holy" book tells them to do to us "infidels", and you may learn something.

Again, back to square one, Jesus Christ tells us to love our enemies and pray for those who persecute us. We are to love our personal enemies. Jesus also tells us to hate that which is evil.

That is why I asked you if you think it''s evil for these Muslims to kill Christians just because they aren''t Muslims. And you said YES.

So you see, even though you may claim to be an athiest, you subconsciously agree with what Christ said.

[stopsocialis]

ubrew12

-Muslims believe it''s necesary to kill all those who won''t submit to Islam. Muslims that are truly following their Quran that is. The "moderates" are being killed by the fundamentalist Muslims because they aren''t following the Quran. IT''s all in there. Do some research.

Killing people because they don''t believe the way you do is evil, and demented, and straight from satan.

So no, it''s NOT justified.

[ubrew12]

StopSocialis said: "ubrew, grow some integrity and answer a simple yes or no question: Do you think it''s evil what these Muslims are doing to these Christians simply because they aren''t Muslims? "

Yes.

Do you think its necessary?
[that, by the way, is the more important question. I mean, its evil when a lion eats a deer, but its necessary]

[stopsocialis]

Do you think it''s evil what these Muslims are doing to these Christians in Mosul simply because they aren''t Muslims?

YES OR NO?