Comments on: Iraq Teens Trained As Suicide Bombers

6 Boys, Aged 14-18, Say Saudi Militant Forced Them To Prepare For Suicide Operations

[dsr57]

I don''''t agree that they had nothing to do with these children, the US military, under orders from Bush, directly caused the anarchy that gave rise to these children, and so it is my position that the US military had everything to do with these children.


Posted by brianbwb

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See, was that so hard?

At least now your owning up to being a traitor

Glad to see our troops cannot please you no matter what they do and in this case nothing

[brianbwb-2009]

"Do you agree with running down our military even when they had nothing to do with these children?" Posted by DSR57

I don''t agree that they had nothing to do with these children, the US military, under orders from Bush, directly caused the anarchy that gave rise to these children, and so it is my position that the US military had everything to do with these children.

[dsr57]

"I never mentioned WMD''''s" Posted by DSR57

But Bush did, 935 times, it was his central reason why he ordered the invasion.


Posted by brianbwb

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You should stop trying to turn this into bush lying and fit your own agenda.

All you really need to do is say you either Agree or disagree with liberals bashing the military when they do wrong and again bashing the military when insurgents bully children into becoming suicide bombers? So Do you agree with running down our military even when they had nothing to do with these children?

[brianbwb-2009]

"I never mentioned WMD''s" Posted by DSR57

But Bush did, 935 times, it was his central reason why he ordered the invasion.

[brianbwb-2009]

"And you are doing the same thing. If you remember my original point before you extracted fragment sentences out of it was that I find it deplorable that Liberals can verbally attack our military and call them "Monsters" when a few do something wrong." Posted by DSR57

Perhaps because when they do wrong, so many people like yourself pull up the same old tired lies spewed during the agitprop rush to war to excuse them, even though the agitprop has long since been proven to be BS.

BS that has a heavy cost in lives.

It seems that the pro war people posit various humanitarian reasons as to why we commit the inhumanities, (Saddam gassed the Kurds, with gas we gave him for example, so we should go commit mass murder and kill even more people than Saddam did, and its ok if a few of our boys "blow off some steam" while they''re at it) thereby proving that they really don''t care about life, only the views of their leaders.

[dsr57]

"With that said if the united states waited around to be attacked rather than take preemptive measures, then we would probably not have a country to live in." Posted by DSR57

Again, there were no WMDs, either chemical or biological, Iraq was no threat.


Posted by brianbwb
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I never mentioned WMD''s

[brianbwb-2009]

"Liberals Still find a way to blame our military. I find that arrogant and appalling that the very same people that allow you to live in a country with freedom has to endure your libel" Posted by DSR57

It is only libel if it is not true, which you have not yet been able to demonstrate.

[dsr57]

"Oh I believe they have every right to fight BUT again by your reasoning, they have every right to tell children they will kill their families and blow up their houses if they don''''''''t in return blow themselves up !!" Posted by DSR57

Now you are intentionally obfuscating. All of the bombers are not fighting only the US, there is a certain power struggle between groups fighting each other that Bush unleashed. There is also a good amount of good old fashioned mafia turf war going on. Whether or not you think I call it a "right" I know it is a consequence, but as long as that consequence is over there, it is the problem of the people over there to solve, no amount of genocide from our side can prevent it.

It is now their problem, even though it is Bush''''s fault.


Posted by brianbwb

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And you are doing the same thing. If you remember my original point before you extracted fragment sentences out of it was that I find it deplorable that Liberals can verbally attack our military and call them "Monsters" when a few do something wrong.

THEN, when insurgents scare kids into becoming suicide bombers with threats of killing their family
Liberals Still find a way to blame our military. I find that arrogant and appalling that the very same people that allow you to live in a country with freedom has to endure your libel

[brianbwb-2009]

"And then you also know that Saddam was paying families of Palestinian decent for every suicide bomber they produced." Posted by DSR57

Again, in Palestine, not our problem.

"And you also know they Saddam had no love loss for the US." Posted by DSR57

After goading him into an 8 year war with Iran, and then selling weapons to both sides (Irangate, remember?) You yourself would probably not like the country which did such to you.

"With that said if the united states waited around to be attacked rather than take preemptive measures, then we would probably not have a country to live in." Posted by DSR57

Again, there were no WMDs, either chemical or biological, Iraq was no threat.

By your logic, let us assume you occasionally drink beer. Because of the possibility that you might kill someone in a DUI sometime in the future, we should pre-empt, and kill you now?

[nonayabiness]

SistaTee-

I love your one-liners.

And you are right. Apparently Al-Quaida trains its members to blow themselves up for ''their cause,'' but you don''t see its leaders doing it.

So, if it''s so righteous, or whatever, why aren''t the leaders killing themselves for the cause? It''s because their brainwashing others to do their dirty work.

[dsr57]

You are indeed mistaken, they weren''''t there before we showed up. Saddam had an iron grip, there were no Al Qaeda, and there were no active insurgents, All the groups now fighting were waiting for the US to take out Saddam, which, even though well advised against it, Bush did anyway.

Posted by brianbwb

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And then you also know that Saddam was paying families of Palestinian decent for every suicide bomber they produced. And you also know they Saddam had no love loss for the US. With that said if the united states waited around to be attacked rather than take preemptive measures, then we would probably not have a country to live in.

[brianbwb-2009]

"Oh I believe they have every right to fight BUT again by your reasoning, they have every right to tell children they will kill their families and blow up their houses if they don''''t in return blow themselves up !!" Posted by DSR57

Now you are intentionally obfuscating. All of the bombers are not fighting only the US, there is a certain power struggle between groups fighting each other that Bush unleashed. There is also a good amount of good old fashioned mafia turf war going on. Whether or not you think I call it a "right" I know it is a consequence, but as long as that consequence is over there, it is the problem of the people over there to solve, no amount of genocide from our side can prevent it.

Anarchy makes a good cover for criminality, and all we see now is a direct result of Bush''s lies. None of it would be happening if Bush had kept his greed and lies to himself.

We saw it after the breakup of the Soviet Union, the fall of Marcos, the fall of Soeharto, time and time again when a strong authority figure is toppled there will be a struggle to fill the power vacuum, and there will be just plain old criminality.

It is now their problem, even though it is Bush''s fault.

[brianbwb-2009]

"Do you think they were going to go back and bomb their own village??" Posted by DSR57

They were not coming to the US, and that is all that should matter to the US.

"So by going with your reasoning why was there ever a need for suicide bombers before we went to Iraq? Because if I''''m not mistaken they had them before we showed up" Posted by DSR57

You are indeed mistaken, they weren''t there before we showed up. Saddam had an iron grip, there were no Al Qaeda, and there were no active insurgents, All the groups now fighting were waiting for the US to take out Saddam, which, even though well advised against it, Bush did anyway.

[dsr57]

"Give it a freakin rest ! ! Look, Liberals, we all know that you don''''''''t agree with the war ( I don''''''''t either) But seriously, put the blame in this story where it belongs." Posted by DSR57

It is where it belongs, the militants are fighting an invasion, lied into by Bush. the blame is indeed rightly placed on Bush, unless you believe that they have no right to fight against the US invasion of their land.

Posted by brianbwb

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Oh I believe they have every right to fight BUT again by your reasoning, they have every right to tell children they will kill their families and blow up their houses if they don''t in return blow themselves up !!

Yeah, you made a good point ! ! ha ha ha

And your not condeming their practices so ther for you condone Child Soliders ! ! Way to go Brian

[fibonacci_gr]

You want to drop a nuclear bomb on Iraq?

[brianbwb-2009]

"Let%u2019s go back to day one, now why are we there?" Posted by annd2302

Because Bush lied.

"Has it been worth the effort?" Posted by annd2302

When has dying for a lie ever been worth the effort?

"How long will this last?" Posted by annd2302

Until we send Bush and co. to jail for lies and treason.

"Send all military and support home and break out the BIG Bomb, as we had to do a few years ago." Posted by annd2302

For a lie?


"Sure as hell put a stop to all the fighting, people started to analyze their %u201Chole card%u201D. Posted by annd2302

So would pulling our forces out. The power struggle will be bloody, but it will happen whether we are there or not, it is now their problem.

Also, check your history, the Japanese surrendered two weeks before we dropped "the big one" as you call it, the US stalled until after the "big ones" were dropped, just to see if they would work. The fighting was already over.

[dsr57]

Maybe this will help your understanding, what they do to each other is none of our business, and what we are doing to them is even worse, because not only were we lied into it, but our actions created their need for insurgents.

Posted by brianbwb
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What they do to eachother is none of our business?!?!?!?! Are you rally that dumb??

THEY WERE TRAINING THEM TO BE SUICIDE BOMBERS ! ! !

Do you think they were going to go back and bomb their own village??

So by going with your reasoning why was there ever a need for suicide bombers before we went to Iraq? Because if I''m not mistaken they had them before we showed up

I really hope that you are smarter than this

[annd2302]

Who ever said our military are "monsters" should have their nuts or vig sack cut smooth off. How dare they belittle the 4,082 soldiers killed for trying to save there own very lives. Does it not mean anything to you poor pukes? Probably not, they have been brain/washed for so long.

Let%u2019s go back to day one, now why are we there? Has it been worth the effort? How long will this last? Send all military and support home and break out the BIG Bomb, as we had to do a few years ago. Sure as hell put a stop to all the fighting, people started to analyze their %u201Chole card%u201D.

[brianbwb-2009]

"Give it a freakin rest ! ! Look, Liberals, we all know that you don''''t agree with the war ( I don''''t either) But seriously, put the blame in this story where it belongs." Posted by DSR57

It is where it belongs, the militants are fighting an invasion, lied into by Bush. the blame is indeed rightly placed on Bush, unless you believe that they have no right to fight against the US invasion of their land.

[brianbwb-2009]

"cant kill them..cant rehab them..can we ask a liberal what can we do with these terrorists?????????honestly.."
Posted by libsluv2spit

Honestly? Don''t give them visas to the US. What they do in their own country is their own business, not ours.