Comments on: Remains Of 2 U.S. Iraq Contractors Found

Men Were Among 6 Western Contractors Kidnapped Over A Year Ago

[ranger1948]

brianbwb
So now you admit they were both working civilian jobs that had nothing to do with combat. I thik it is saf to assume they were working to provide a better life for their families in the states. But because you are against Bush and the war you think it is justified that they were murdered ? I am against bush and the war in Iraq, but i do not justify murder anywhere at anytime. As an A merican we are supposed to be civilized. Committing murder is not a civilized act.

[brianbwb-2009]

"You say they were aiding Bush''''s crimes against humanity and shouldn''''t have been over ther. Then you say every death U.S. and Iraqui is crimes against humanity. Which statement do you stand by ? You say their deaths were caused by their being there and they shouldn''''t be there, then you claim all deaths there are crimes against humanity. I can''''t see which side of the issue you are on." Posted by ranger1948

Therein is why we often disagree, you think it boils down to "sides". If it must, then I take the side of life.

I posit that there is no reason why we should have created the situation in which these men died, and make no mistake, they died because Bush caused the situation to exist, and so every death that results from Bush''s lies, no matter which side, are crimes, by Bush, against humanity.

Their deaths were wrong, but their being over there in the first place was because their company is one of the war profiteers benefiting from a situation that is wrong. Again, a result of Bush.

Ask yourself, if a hostile country invaded your ares, and did what we are doing, would you not try to take them, and anyone you see as supporting them down?
I am on the side of life, we shouldn''t even be there.

[ranger1948]

mcdazz
Where did itsay they were employees of blackwater or any agency doing the same kind of work as blackwater ? Soes working for blackwate4rr make all their employees scum and therefore it is ok to kill them. These men were taken hostage and murdered. They were not even given th chance to defe4nd themselves. Would you feel that is ok if you had been in their shoes ?

[brianbwb-2009]

"You have no idea what type of work these men were doing. " Posted by ranger1948

JPI is an IT firm, they are In Iraq setting up computer networks used for US C and C., at highly marked up rates, I might add.

Crescent Security Group is similar to Blackwater, and has made its mark providing security for the unpopular politicians and foreign people in Iraq who support the execution of the Bush agenda, also at highly marked up rates.

The reason I used the word "similar" in my comparison to Gen. Custer, was because he operated under the authority of the US government, thus could be considered military, these two contractors were civilians, who as I said were there of their own volition, in a place they should not have been, working for whom the Iraqis rightly consider to be the "bad guys", the hostile force occupying their land.

[ranger1948]

brianbwb
You say they were aiding Bush''s crimes against humanity and shouldn''t have been over ther. Then you say every death U.S. and Iraqui is crimes against humanity. Which statement do you stand by ? You say their deaths were caused by their being there and they shouldn''t be there, then you claim all deaths there are crimes against humanity. I can''t see which side of the issue you are on.

[ranger1948]

brianbwb
So by your logic being in Iraq was justification to kill these men ? What if they were reporters, working in schools, hospitals, red cross employees, etc, would it be justified to kill them in your mind ? I on''t believe we should be there either and i don''t have any use for Bush, but the blatant killing of someoen because they happen to be working in Iraq is beyond ludicrous.

[brianbwb-2009]

Posted by TheGateway1

That lou enough for ya?

[ranger1948]

brianbwb
Defending tem is like defending Custer ? Custer was a general in the army and a full fledged nut case who hated indians. These men could have been working any number of jobs that were not combat related. Do you think they should die because they were in Iraq ? With our depressed economy many people are taking jobs they normally wouldn''t. You have no idea what type of work these men were doig. Your insensitivity for these men and there families is totally uncalled for.

[brianbwb-2009]

Also every incident of torture, displacement, kidnapping, the acts in the photos from Abu Ghraib, wounding, and other harm that is a result of Bush''s original lies are crimes against humanity.

[brianbwb-2009]

Running out of space, but you get the point, it is nothing you don''''t already know, but seek to deny.
Posted by brianbwb

In short, every death, both US and Iraqi, that resulted from Bush''s lies are crimes against humanity.

[brianbwb-2009]

"I want proof, not liberal talking points."
Posted by TheGateway1

Not enough space, but we can start with lying to justify starting a war, ordering hostile military action based on those lies. This is treason, the definition of which can be found easily. Proof? no WMDs, and no Yellow Cake.

Now let us proceed on the basis that the premise for going to war was false, and as we all know, Bush knew it was false before he gave the order, as the pentagon stated before Bush''s speech to congress, that Curveball and Chalabi were both BS artists Bush used the BS anyway as the center of his assertion.

The pentagon itself issued a report stating there was no link between Saddam and Al Qaeda, and they should know, as they created and control Al Qaeda. Proof, check out the history of Al Qaeda, and while you''re at it, the definition of the words Al Qaeda.

The secret concentration camps at Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, the kidnapping, rendition, torture, all are violations of the Geneva convention, to which the US is a signatory, and therefore are considered crimes against humanity, for which Rumsfeld has already been convicted in absentia in international court.

Running out of space, but you get the point, it is nothing you don''t already know, but seek to deny.

sbbm wrote:

"I''m just sick of the liberals always placing blame elsewhere, anywhere but NEVER in their own lap and especially away from the real person/people at fault -
A US contractor trying to assist in rebuilding and gets tortured and killed - YOU blame the US...ANYONE of Muslim faith gets hurt, YOU blame the US..."

Are you trying to tell me that the contractors were over there for the good of the Iraqi people?

Are you telling me they weren''t paid for their services and were volunteering?

Problem is, they weren''t. They were lining their own pockets and they knew full well the dangers of working in Iraq.

And as we have seen with Blackwater scum, so called "contractors" don''t have any problems in killing innocent civilians in their pursuit of greed and murder.

[brianbwb-2009]

"yOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THESE PEOPLE YET YOU TALK ABOUT THEM LIKE THEY WERE SCUM. Show some respect for the dead and their relatives." Posted by ranger1948

You are right none of us knows them personally, but we do know that they were voluntarily aiding Bush''s crimes against humanity, they can''t even claim to be following military orders, as they were from private civilian businesses. They shouldn''t have even been over there. Defending them is similar to defending Gen. Custer.

[brianbwb-2009]

The yet unanswered question, what were they doing there, where they shouldn''t have been in the first place?

History shows that the early European settlers would wipe out entire villages, then justified further genocide by calling the retaliation of the victims an "attack", never once recognizing that theirs was the first trespass.

Many of the posters on this thread continue this deluded twist of logic, implying that the US has the right to lie, invade, and occupy another country, and the victims of that occupation are wrong to resist.

Comments that suggest that Bush''s illegal invasion of Iraq is somehow defending the US, when Iraq never attacked, or threatened to attack the US, is either textbook delusion, or textbook lie.

And people wonder how Hitler was able to pull off what he did.

[ranger1948]

FEELFREE1
sPOKEN LIKE A TRUE AL QUAIDA TERRORIST. why don''t you go join them so wee can kill you too.

[ranger1948]

cdfoxtrot and glad im not oj. You are expressing opinions on a subject you know mnothing about. yOU HAVEN''T BEEN THERE SO GIVE IT A REST.

[ranger1948]

What is deplorable is the unconscious comments made here, not considering the feelings of family members ewho have lost someone. yOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THESE PEOPLE YET YOU TALK ABOUT THEM LIKE THEY WERE SCUM. Show some respect for the dead and their relatives.

[tawpdawg1]

I wonder how many troops have been maimed yet survived attacks due to superior body armor than was available in previous wars. The stats are skewed. Then they get home only to be blown off for their physical and mental health care needs. Shame on us.

[cdfoxtrot]

"Wait for me at the gates of heaven."

Yeah, well, if there is a heaven, I wouldn''t hang around too long waiting for this mercenary to show up.

[cdfoxtrot]

FeelFree1, you are an a s s! Many, many contractors over there are engineers and the like and are trying to improve conditions for the everyday people of Iraq. These contractors didn''''t break it but they are trying to fix it.

Posted by pat1967

Most mercenaries, er, I mean "contractors", are there doing military stuff -- they''re not engineers "and the like" (whatever that means).